[TheBattman]

The doctrine/teaching of Purgatory if found no-where in God's Word, what should be the ultimate measure of any doctrine/theology/or practice in any congregation calling themselves a "church".

[evets]

Purgatory: better than Hell, not as good as Limbo.

[wagglebee]

There is NO WAY that this qualifies as a caucus.

[Mad Dawg]

Have the rules changed? Can a caucus thread be started to criticize explicitly the teaching of a group not included in the caucus?

[Elsiejay]

Yes, it does so signify, and no warrant for it can be found in the Holy Scriptures of Christendom. But it did provide the basis for selling indulgences and for instilling in the minds of searchers the pernicious doctrine that salvation can be had only through the minisrations of the Mother Church and its priestly caste, for which also there is no basis in the Scriptures.

[mlizzy]

The Catholic Catechism, paragraph 1030, says that Purgatory is for "All who die in God's grace and friendship, but still imperfectly purified, are indeed assured of their eternal salvation, but after death they undergo purification, so as to achieve the holiness necessary to enter the joy of heaven."

This article clearing quotes the Catechism of the Catholic Church. So how can you leave Catholics out of the discussion by making it a non-Catholic caucus?

[eastsider]

A thread posted by a non-Catholic that is dedicated to discussing Roman Catholicism isn’t caucus material, as you are about to find out in spades.

[agere_contra]

The doctrine/teaching of Purgatory if found no-where in God's Word

Not so. See for instance:

If you are to go with your opponent before a magistrate, make an effort to settle the matter on the way; otherwise your opponent will turn you over to the judge, and the judge will turn you over to the constable, and the constable throw you in into prison. I say to you, you will not be released until you have paid the last penny." (Luke 12:58-59)

And also:

"...for no one can lay a foundation other than the one that there is, namely, Jesus Christ. If anyone builds on this foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay or straw, the work of each one will come to light, for the Day will disclose it. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire [itself] will test the quality of each one's work. If the work stands that someone built upon the foundation, that person will receive a wage. But if someone's work is burned up, that one will suffer loss; the person will be saved, but only through fire." (1 Corinthians 3:11-15)

Finally: you appear to believe in sola scriptura - the idea that authority comes from scripture. This is false. For as Christ said to Peter:

I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Here we see that the authority of the Church explicitly comes from Christ. Scripture receives its authority from the Church, not the other way round.

Hope this was helpful.

[Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus]

I have BEEN to Purgatory, and came back from it.

Purgatory, Utah, that is

[Ann Archy]

To my Non-Catholic friends......do you go straight to heaven if you die with SINS on your soul?? Heaven is PURE, how can one get there with SINS on their soul??

One doesn't need to be Catholic to figure this out.

[onedoug]

¨If I knew God I´d be Him.¨

[Salvation]

**The Catholic Catechism, paragraph 1030, says that Purgatory is for “All who die in God’s grace and friendship, but still imperfectly purified, are indeed assured of their eternal salvation, but after death they undergo purification, so as to achieve the holiness necessary to enter the joy of heaven.” **

How can this be a non-Catholic forum? It’s quotes the Catholic Catechism.

At the least it might be Ecumenical — no antagonism.

[Mad Dawg]

If some non-Catholics want to discuss Catholic doctrine, it’s not cricket but I’m fine with it. Maybe one day they’ll want to quit shadow boxing and find out what the doctrine really is.

[marshmallow]

According to the Handbook for Today's Catholic, page 47,

"Today's Catholic"? That would be me.

Thanks for the invite............don't mind if I do.

You can take down the "caucus" heading now.

[Salvation]

**Of course, Roman Catholic doctrine states that eternal life is bestowed upon the one who receives baptism (Catechism, par. 1265 - 1266, 1992). It is the stains of the sins committed after baptism and not removed through penance, good works, prayers, the Mass, etc., that are removed in the fires of Purgatory (Handbook for Today’s Catholic, page 47). **

Another reason to make this an open thread. There is an error in that statement if I’m not mistaken.

[wmfights]

The doctrine/teaching of Purgatory if found no-where in God's Word, what should be the ultimate measure of any doctrine/theology/or practice in any congregation calling themselves a "church".

What about Abraham's bosom? There is no mention of sins being cleansed there but the dead who would be redeemed were there.

[stuartcr]

I’m sure it’s written somewhere, but how could anyone really know?

[NYer]

The doctrine/teaching of Purgatory if found no-where in God's Word

You do believe that Jesus Christ was fully God and fully human, do you not? Please show me where that doctrine/teaching appears in God's Word.

[Campion]

In light of the Pauline doctrine of justification by grace through faith, how is it possible that an afterlife cleansing through punishment is necessary for a Christian who has trusted in Jesus to cleanse him from all His sins?

I'll see you that, and raise you one. How is it possible that a cleansing through punishment for sins during this life is necessary or even possible for a Christian who has "trusted in Jesus to cleanse him from all His sins"?

After all, there's nothing special about "afterlife punishment" versus "during life punishment". If one impugns Christ's sacrifice, so does the other.

Scripture is very clear:

For consider Him who endured such hostility from sinners against Himself, lest you become weary and discouraged in your souls. You have not yet resisted to bloodshed, striving against sin. And you have forgotten the exhortation which speaks to you as to sons:

“My son, do not despise the chastening of the LORD, Nor be discouraged when you are rebuked by Him; For whom the LORD loves He chastens, And scourges every son whom He receives.”

If you endure chastening, God deals with you as with sons; for what son is there whom a father does not chasten? But if you are without chastening, of which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate and not sons. Furthermore, we have had human fathers who corrected us, and we paid them respect. Shall we not much more readily be in subjection to the Father of spirits and live? For they indeed for a few days chastened us as seemed best to them, but He for our profit, that we may be partakers of His holiness. Now no chastening seems to be joyful for the present, but painful; nevertheless, afterward it yields the peaceable fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it. -- Hebrews 12:3-11

(Incidentally, as I usually do, I'm quoting from a Protestant translation, the NKJV.)

Seems straightforward. Scripture insists that Christians will be chastised for their sins, and in fact says that those who aren't chastised are "not sons, but bastards". (That's what the Greek really says.)

The whole Protestant error regarding purgatory is slapped down by this one passage of Scripture. If no chastisement for sin is possible for Christians, the passage makes no sense. If chastisement in the afterlife impugns the sufficiency of Christ's sacrifice, chastisement in this life impugns it as well.

[tickmeister]

OK, OK, enough. 931 angels can dance on the head of a pin. Any other questions?

[jroneil]

http://bible.cc/revelation/21-27.htm
Nothing impure will ever enter it, nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb's book of life.
Humans are impure when they enter heaven they become pure the process that makes them pure is purgatory
Also outside of earth time is irrelevant