Have you pick out your harp yet and which cloud you want to reside on!
Posted on 08/15/2010 2:44:17 PM PDT by greyfoxx39
One of the noteworthy examples of the Latter-day Saint commitment to treasure up true principles and cultivate affirmative gratitude is the admiration that Church leaders have expressed over the years for the spiritual contributions of Muhammad.
As early as 1855, at a time when Christian literature generally ridiculed Muhammad as the Antichrist and the archenemy of Western civilization, Elders George A. Smith (1817–75) and Parley P. Pratt (1807–57) of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles delivered lengthy sermons demonstrating an accurate and balanced understanding of Islamic history and speaking highly of Muhammad’s leadership. Elder Smith observed that Muhammad was “descended from Abraham and was no doubt raised up by God on purpose” to preach against idolatry. He sympathized with the plight of Muslims, who, like Latter-day Saints, found it difficult “to get an honest history” written about them. Speaking next, Elder Pratt went on to express his admiration for Muhammad’s teachings, asserting that “upon the whole, … [Muslims] have better morals and better institutions than many Christian nations.” 9
Latter-day Saint appreciation of Muhammad’s role in history can also be found in the 1978 First Presidency statement regarding God’s love for all mankind. This declaration specifically mentions Muhammad as one of “the great religious leaders of the world” who received “a portion of God’s light” and affirms that “moral truths were given to [these leaders] by God to enlighten whole nations and to bring a higher level of understanding to individuals.” 10
In recent years, respect for the spiritual legacy of Muhammad and for the religious values of the Islamic community has led to increasing contact and cooperation between Latter-day Saints and Muslims around the world. This is due in part to the presence of Latter-day Saint congregations in areas such as the Levant, North Africa, the Persian Gulf, and Southeast Asia. The Church has sought to respect Islamic laws and traditions that prohibit conversion of Muslims to other faiths by adopting a policy of nonproselyting in Islamic countries of the Middle East. Yet examples of dialogue and cooperation abound, including visits of Muslim dignitaries at Church headquarters in Salt Lake City; Muslim use of Church canning facilities to produce halal (ritually clean) food products; Church humanitarian aid and disaster relief sent to predominantly Muslim areas including Jordan, Kosovo, and Turkey; academic agreements between Brigham Young University and various educational and governmental institutions in the Islamic world; the existence of the Muslim Student Association at BYU; and expanding collaboration between the Church and Islamic organizations to safeguard traditional family values worldwide. 11 The recent initiation of the Islamic Translation Series, cosponsored by BYU and the Church, has resulted in several significant exchanges between Muslim officials and Latter-day Saint Church leaders. A Muslim ambassador to the United Nations predicted that this translation series “will play a positive role in the West’s quest for a better understanding of Islam.” 12
A cabinet minister in Egypt, aware of the common ground shared by Muslims and Latter-day Saints, once remarked to Elder Howard W. Hunter of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles that “if a bridge is ever built between Christianity and Islam it must be built by the Mormon Church.” 13 The examples of Latter-day Saint–Muslim interaction mentioned above, together with the Church’s establishment in 1989 of two major centers for educational and cultural exchange in the Middle East (Jerusalem and Amman), reflect the traditional attitude of respect for Islam that Church leaders have exhibited from earliest times. These activities represent tangible evidence of Latter-day Saint commitment to promote greater understanding of the Muslim world and witness an emerging role for the Church in helping to bridge the gap that has existed historically between Muslims and Christians.
"Yo!
MOMMA!!
I've learned for myself that PRESBYTERIANism is UNTRUE!!!"
Have you pick out your harp yet and which cloud you want to reside on!
Bart go bug you parenta!
assalamu alaikum...
"Joseph could tell the most WONDERFUL stories!
He could entertain us for hours on end!"
--Momma Smith
MORMON
ATTITUDES OF SUPERIORITY
1. I’m Superior; I have a special gift of the holy Ghost -- you don’t!
2. I’m Superior; I have God’s true priesthood power -- you don’t! 3. I’m Superior; I can go in God’s secret Temple -- you can’t! 4. I’m Superior; I’ve been Endowed with special Gifts and Knowledge -- you’re just normal! 5. I’m Superior; I’ll have my family with me in heaven -- you’ll be with strangers! 6. I’m Superior; I’m becoming a God -- you aren’t! 7. I’m Superior; My women know their place as servants of man and yours don’t. 8. I’m Superior; YOUR creeds are wrong because they come from man - mine comes from God (you can find each one printed in our Scriptures). 9. I’m Superior; I don’t HAVE a creed - I’ve got 13 Articles of Faith. 10. I'm Superior; I have 4 "Bibles"-- the standard works (5 if you count the JST) -- you've only got one: in as far as it is translated correctly. 11. I’m Superior; I can lie with impunity about such things as church membership, church growth, church doctrine, church history, church influence, etc. — -- You can’t. 12. I’m Superior; I am right (everybody knows) when I say 'evangelical' Christians are lunatics -- -- You’re a hideous narrow-minded bigot, who is persecuting me by practicing discrimination by saying I'm not a Christian.
13. I'm Superior; I have a testimony about a prophet -- you don't. 14. I'm Superior; I have a Scripture-producing Amos 3:7 prophet -- you don't 15. I’m Superior; I have a Living Prophet who talks to god every day -- you have a dim-witted hireling of Satan who only talks to himself. 16. I'm Superior; I have my calling & election made sure -- you don't. 17. I’m Superior; I have magic underwear to protect me from the bogey man -- you don’t. 18. I’m Superior; I have secret clasps and grips to give the angel so I get admitted to the celestial kingdom -- you don’t ;so you can’t. 19. I'm Superior; I know secret handshake codes for afterlife entrances-- you don't. 20. I’m Superior; I will see Joseph Smith setting on the right hand of GOD, when I get to Mormon heaven, and he will recognize me and judge me favorably -- You’re on your own; when you get to wherever you’re going! 21. I’m Superior; I’m going to hie to Kolob -- you’re going to who knows where. 22. I’m Superior; I get to have a harem and act like a celestial stud for time and all eternity -- you don’t. 23. I’m Superior; I have sun stones, moon stones, sky stones, cloud stones, Saturn stones, and the evil eye of Osirus guarding my temple -- all you have is a stupid cross.
24. I’m Superior; My church has billions in assets stashed away -- yours has taken a stupid vow of poverty. 25. I'm Superior; Last - we have the power to keep a whole race out of our priesthood if we wanted to reinsert our 148-year legacy (we ARE still keeping an entire GENDER at bay!) 26. I'm superior; I have the "higher law" -- everyone else "lives under the "lesser law' because I say so...(over and over). Revision 46.2
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heir [ er ] (plural heirs) noun
Definition:
1. legal inheritor of something: somebody who holds the right to receive a property, position, or title of somebody else when that person dies
2. recipient of tradition: an inheritor of something such as a tradition, problem, or characteristic Our generation is the unfortunate heir to decades of pollution.
That's the modern definition. I like this one, though: Webster's 1828 edition -
We give the title to a person who is to inherit after the death of an ancestor, and during his life, as well as to the person who has actually come into possession. A man''s children are his heirs. In most monarchies,the king''s eldest son is heir to the throne; and a nobleman''s eldest son is heir to his title.
It continues:
One who is entitled to possess. In Scripture, saints are called heirs of the promise, heirs of righteousness, heirs of salvation, &c., by virtue of the death of Christ, or of God''s gracious promises.
By virtue of Christ's death, no, but really his Glorious Resurrection we become heirs to what? Salvation, godliness, righteousness, exaltation, etc. (of course these are all synonyms)
This is a gift of Jesus Christ to Christians. What is it to anyone else to disparage this gift? One may ignore it and revile against those that sincerely pursue salvation, but one shouldn't revile the heir who simply receives the gift (or endowment - the legal term) of the benefactor, in this case Jesus Christ.
Is there any Biblical support for the position?
Yes.
Romans 8:17 New International Version (©1984) Now if we are children, then we are heirs--heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory.
The Greek, of course, is "heir" with a meaning just like the English version of the word - someone entitled to a portion, a lot, an entirety.
Note Bene that we're also called upon to s"hare in his sufferings" - works...
"...in order that we may also share in his glory." NB: glory here is literally to be jointly glorified - to exalt.
Here again we have a powerful scriptural basis for our expected theosis in Heaven. See for yourself: Romans 8:17
Godzilla has made the mistake of confusing apotheosis with theosis. This is a common error, but one that can be remedied.
Please take the time to read the definitions found on Wikipedia, they are fascinating and intriguing.
As we think about theosis we must understand that it is a man-influenced belief. Clearly, the Scriptures indicate that as Godzilla has accurately posted Jesus is God, before ever being born on earth.
John 1:1* ¶ In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3* All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
How do the LDS interpret this? In the pre-mortal existence (see Jeremiah 1:5) Jesus Christ accepted the Divine Will of Heavenly Father and agreed to be the Savior, this action begin the human adventure the successful culmination of which is theosis. See:
These last two scriptures are not Biblical. They are from the scriptures that the LDS have due to continuing revelation from living prophets. Just like the Catholics, the LDS have additional scriptures not used by Reformers.
I really do want to continue this thoughtful discussion, but I have work to do. Let's take it up at a later date once you've had some time to read and meditate on this.
What do you mean "glorious resurrection". according to lds Jesus is just some dude like every other dude who happened to be crucified. I mean really it could have been anyone, after all everyone gets to be a god.
LDS.org
In the end, the central purpose of all scripture is to fill our souls with faith in God the Father and in His Son, Jesus Christ—faith that They exist; faith in the Father’s plan for our immortality and eternal life; faith in the Atonement and Resurrection of Jesus Christ, which animates this plan of happiness; faith to make the gospel of Jesus Christ our way of life; and faith to come to know “the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom [He has] sent” (John 17:3).
Uh...
Except that JS got his by exceptional means; that PERFECTLY fit the BIBLICAL description of Angels of Light and Satanic miracles!
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Galatians 1:7-10
7. Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. 8. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. 2 Corinthians 11:14-15
14. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. 15. It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve. Revelation 13:13-15
13. And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, 14. And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
It appears that EXPERIENCES can be deceiving...
If one believes the Bible is correct, then, by that Standard, Mormonism fails the test.
If, however, you are convinced that the Bible is either in error, been corrupted or mis-interpreted, then you are free to believe whatever you wish.
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Not a god, not “like god”...
Jesus is God.
Even on the midst of the twisting of his word and the deceit of the heretics the truth of the one Truine God shines forth.
Amazing isn't Zilla...
Sorry BM if lds want to believe that Jesus/God where dudes just like us who somehow over came and that they can become gods then fine. There is nothing Biblical about that.
I choose to believe in a God that is and always was and always will be.
Post the definition of theosis 10 - but you won’t because you will have refuted your position. However, it has already been refuted in the section I posted. Back to kindergarden 10, another epic fail.
heir - reading comprehension fail again 10, being an heir does not make one a god any more than those dogs and cats that have been made heirs to fortunes by their owners have become human.
Salvation, godliness, righteousness, exaltation are not synomymns
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