A Latter-day Saint Perspective on Muhammad Mormon-(OPEN)

Ensign Magazine ^ | August, 2000 | James A. Toronto,

[Elsie]

Hello jumping to conclusions does not make it so only bias!

"Yo!

MOMMA!!

I've learned for myself that PRESBYTERIANism is UNTRUE!!!"

[restornu]

Have you pick out your harp yet and which cloud you want to reside on!

[restornu]

Bart go bug you parenta!

[ejonesie22]

assalamu alaikum...

[Godzilla]

Bart go bug you parenta!

[roylene]

As always I have zero idea what you are talking about. My post was about the arrogance of lds thinking they could be god.

[Elsie]

Bart go bug you parenta!

"Joseph could tell the most WONDERFUL stories!

He could entertain us for hours on end!"

--Momma Smith

[Elsie]

My post was about the arrogance of lds thinking they could be god.

 

 

They have quite a lot of OTHER things they are arrogant about, too!

 

 

MORMON

ATTITUDES OF SUPERIORITY

 

  1. I’m Superior; I have a special gift of the holy Ghost -- you don’t!
  2. I’m Superior; I have God’s true priesthood power -- you don’t!
  3. I’m Superior; I can go in God’s secret Temple -- you can’t!
  4. I’m Superior; I’ve been Endowed with special Gifts and Knowledge -- you’re just normal!
  5. I’m Superior; I’ll have my family with me in heaven -- you’ll be with strangers!
  6. I’m Superior; I’m becoming a God -- you aren’t!
  7. I’m Superior; My women know their place as servants of man and yours don’t.
  8. I’m Superior; YOUR creeds are wrong because they come from man - mine comes from God (you can find each one printed in our Scriptures).
  9. I’m Superior; I don’t HAVE a creed - I’ve got 13 Articles of Faith.
10. I'm Superior; I have 4 "Bibles"-- the standard works (5 if you count the JST) -- you've only got one: in as far as it is translated correctly.
11. I’m Superior; I can lie with impunity about such things as church membership, church growth, church doctrine, church history, church influence, etc. —                           -- You can’t.
12. I’m Superior; I am right (everybody knows) when I say 'evangelical' Christians are lunatics -- 

                           -- You’re a hideous narrow-minded bigot, who is persecuting me by practicing discrimination by saying I'm not a Christian.
13. I'm Superior; I have a testimony about a prophet -- you don't.
14. I'm Superior; I have a Scripture-producing Amos 3:7 prophet -- you don't
15. I’m Superior; I have a Living Prophet who talks to god every day -- you have a dim-witted hireling of Satan who only talks to himself.
16. I'm Superior; I have my calling & election made sure -- you don't.
17. I’m Superior; I have magic underwear to protect me from the bogey man -- you don’t.
18. I’m Superior; I have secret clasps and grips to give the angel so I get admitted to the celestial kingdom -- you don’t ;so you can’t.
19. I'm Superior; I know secret handshake codes for afterlife entrances-- you don't.
20. I’m Superior; I will see Joseph Smith setting on the right hand of GOD, when I get to Mormon heaven, and he will recognize me and judge me favorably                              -- You’re on your own; when you get to wherever you’re going!
21. I’m Superior; I’m going to hie to Kolob -- you’re going to who knows where.
22. I’m Superior; I get to have a harem and act like a celestial stud for time and all eternity -- you don’t.
23. I’m Superior; I have sun stones, moon stones, sky stones, cloud stones, Saturn stones, and the evil eye of Osirus guarding my temple

                            -- all you have is a stupid cross.
24. I’m Superior; My church has billions in assets stashed away -- yours has taken a stupid vow of poverty.
25. I'm Superior; Last - we have the power to keep a whole race out of our priesthood if we wanted to reinsert our 148-year legacy  (we ARE still keeping an entire GENDER at bay!)

26.  I'm superior; I have the "higher law" -- everyone else "lives under the "lesser law' because I say so...(over and over).

 

 

Revision 46.2

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[Elsie]

As always I have zero idea what you are talking about.

Welcome to the club!

 

 

[1010RD]

Let's keep everyone in the loop. You'll note that I said the LDS position on theosis has never been refuted, it has often been rebuked, LOL. ;-]

heir [ er ] (plural heirs) noun

Definition:

1. legal inheritor of something: somebody who holds the right to receive a property, position, or title of somebody else when that person dies

2. recipient of tradition: an inheritor of something such as a tradition, problem, or characteristic Our generation is the unfortunate heir to decades of pollution.

That's the modern definition. I like this one, though: Webster's 1828 edition -

We give the title to a person who is to inherit after the death of an ancestor, and during his life, as well as to the person who has actually come into possession. A man''s children are his heirs. In most monarchies,the king''s eldest son is heir to the throne; and a nobleman''s eldest son is heir to his title.

It continues:

One who is entitled to possess. In Scripture, saints are called heirs of the promise, heirs of righteousness, heirs of salvation, &c., by virtue of the death of Christ, or of God''s gracious promises.

By virtue of Christ's death, no, but really his Glorious Resurrection we become heirs to what? Salvation, godliness, righteousness, exaltation, etc. (of course these are all synonyms)

This is a gift of Jesus Christ to Christians. What is it to anyone else to disparage this gift? One may ignore it and revile against those that sincerely pursue salvation, but one shouldn't revile the heir who simply receives the gift (or endowment - the legal term) of the benefactor, in this case Jesus Christ.

Is there any Biblical support for the position?

Yes.

Romans 8:17 New International Version (©1984) Now if we are children, then we are heirs--heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory.

The Greek, of course, is "heir" with a meaning just like the English version of the word - someone entitled to a portion, a lot, an entirety.

Note Bene that we're also called upon to s"hare in his sufferings" - works...

"...in order that we may also share in his glory." NB: glory here is literally to be jointly glorified - to exalt.

Here again we have a powerful scriptural basis for our expected theosis in Heaven. See for yourself: Romans 8:17

[1010RD]

The concept of theosis is open to interpretation and there exist more than one understanding of the conception of theosis see: Theosis

Godzilla has made the mistake of confusing apotheosis with theosis. This is a common error, but one that can be remedied.

Please take the time to read the definitions found on Wikipedia, they are fascinating and intriguing.

As we think about theosis we must understand that it is a man-influenced belief. Clearly, the Scriptures indicate that as Godzilla has accurately posted Jesus is God, before ever being born on earth.

John 1:1* ¶ In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3* All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

How do the LDS interpret this? In the pre-mortal existence (see Jeremiah 1:5) Jesus Christ accepted the Divine Will of Heavenly Father and agreed to be the Savior, this action begin the human adventure the successful culmination of which is theosis. See:

Isaiah 14:12

Moses 1:39

Abraham 3

These last two scriptures are not Biblical. They are from the scriptures that the LDS have due to continuing revelation from living prophets. Just like the Catholics, the LDS have additional scriptures not used by Reformers.

I really do want to continue this thoughtful discussion, but I have work to do. Let's take it up at a later date once you've had some time to read and meditate on this.

[svcw]

By virtue of Christ's death, no, but really his Glorious Resurrection

What do you mean "glorious resurrection". according to lds Jesus is just some dude like every other dude who happened to be crucified. I mean really it could have been anyone, after all everyone gets to be a god.

[BlueMoose]

LDS.org

In the end, the central purpose of all scripture is to fill our souls with faith in God the Father and in His Son, Jesus Christ—faith that They exist; faith in the Father’s plan for our immortality and eternal life; faith in the Atonement and Resurrection of Jesus Christ, which animates this plan of happiness; faith to make the gospel of Jesus Christ our way of life; and faith to come to know “the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom [He has] sent” (John 17:3).

[Elsie]

These last two scriptures are not Biblical. They are from the scriptures that the LDS have due to continuing revelation from living prophets. Just like the Catholics, the LDS have additional scriptures not used by Reformers.

Uh...

Except that JS got his by exceptional means; that PERFECTLY fit the BIBLICAL description of Angels of Light and Satanic miracles!

[Elsie]

In the end, the central purpose of all scripture is to fill our souls with faith in God the Father and in His Son, Jesus Christ—faith that They exist; faith in the Father’s plan for our immortality and eternal life; faith in the Atonement and Resurrection of Jesus Christ, which animates this plan of happiness; faith to make the gospel of Jesus Christ our way of life; and faith to come to know “the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom [He has] sent” (John 17:3).

 

Not exactly...

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NIV Matthew 2:5
 "In Bethlehem in Judea," they replied, "for this is what the prophet has written:

NIV Matthew 4:1-11
 1.  Then Jesus was led by the Spirit into the desert to be tempted by the devil.
 2.  After fasting forty days and forty nights, he was hungry.
 3.  The tempter came to him and said, "If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread."
 4.  Jesus answered, "It is written: `Man does not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.' "
 5.  Then the devil took him to the holy city and had him stand on the highest point of the temple.
 6.  "If you are the Son of God," he said, "throw yourself down. For it is written: "`He will command his angels concerning you, and they will lift you up in their hands, so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.' "
 7.  Jesus answered him, "It is also written: `Do not put the Lord your God to the test.' "
 8.  Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor. 
 9.  "All this I will give you," he said, "if you will bow down and worship me."
 10.  Jesus said to him, "Away from me, Satan! For it is written: `Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.' "
 11.  Then the devil left him, and angels came and attended him.

 

NIV Matthew 11:10
    This is the one about whom it is written: "`I will send my messenger ahead of you, who will prepare your way before you.'

 

NIV Matthew 21:13
    "It is written," he said to them, "`My house will be called a house of prayer,'  but you are making it a `den of robbers.' "

 

NIV Matthew 26:24
    The Son of Man will go just as it is written about him.

 

NIV Matthew 26:31
   Then Jesus told them, "This very night you will all fall away on account of me, for it is written: "`I will strike the shepherd, and the sheep of the flock will be scattered.' 

 

NIV Mark 7:6-7
 6.  He replied, "Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written: "`These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me.
 7.  They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.'

 

NIV Mark 9:11-13
 11.  And they asked him, "Why do the teachers of the law say that Elijah must come first?"
 12.  Jesus replied, "To be sure, Elijah does come first, and restores all things. Why then is it written that the Son of Man must suffer much and be rejected?
 13.  But I tell you, Elijah has come, and they have done to him everything they wished, just as it is written about him."

 

NIV Mark 11:17
    And as he taught them, he said, "Is it not written: "`My house will be called a house of prayer for all nations' ? But you have made it `a den of robbers.' "

 

NIV Mark 14:27
    "You will all fall away," Jesus told them, "for it is written: "`I will strike the shepherd, and the sheep will be scattered.'

 

NIV Luke 1:1-4
 1.  Many have undertaken to draw up an account of the things that have been fulfilled  among us,
 2.  just as they were handed down to us by those who from the first were eyewitnesses and servants of the word.
 3.  Therefore, since I myself have carefully investigated everything from the beginning, it seemed good also to me to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus, 
 4.  so that you may know the certainty of the things you have been taught.

 

NIV Luke 4:17-19
 17.  The scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to him. Unrolling it, he found the place where it is written:
 18.  "The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because he has anointed me to preach good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind, to release the oppressed,
 19.  to proclaim the year of the Lord's favor."

 

NIV Luke 7:27
    This is the one about whom it is written: "`I will send my messenger ahead of you, who will prepare your way before you.'

 

NIV Luke 10:26
    "What is written in the Law?" he replied. "How do you read it?"

 

NIV Luke 18:31-33
 31.  Jesus took the Twelve aside and told them, "We are going up to Jerusalem, and everything that is written by the prophets about the Son of Man will be fulfilled.
 32.  He will be handed over to the Gentiles. They will mock him, insult him, spit on him, flog him and kill him.
 33.  On the third day he will rise again."

 

NIV Luke 20:17-18
 17.  Jesus looked directly at them and asked, "Then what is the meaning of that which is written: "`The stone the builders rejected has become the capstone ' ?
 18.  Everyone who falls on that stone will be broken to pieces, but he on whom it falls will be crushed."

 

NIV Luke 21:22
    For this is the time of punishment in fulfillment of all that has been written.

 

NIV Luke 22:37
    It is written: `And he was numbered with the transgressors' ; and I tell you that this must be fulfilled in me. Yes, what is written about me is reaching its fulfillment."

 

NIV Luke 24:44-47
 44.  He said to them, "This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms."
 45.  Then he opened their minds so they could understand the Scriptures.
 46.  He told them, "This is what is written: The Christ will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day,
 47.  and repentance and forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

 

NIV John 2:17
    His disciples remembered that it is written: "Zeal for your house will consume me."

 

NIV John 6:31
   Our forefathers ate the manna in the desert; as it is written: `He gave them bread from heaven to eat.' "

 

NIV John 6:45
   It is written in the Prophets: `They will all be taught by God.'  Everyone who listens to the Father and learns from him comes to me.

 

NIV John 12:14-15
 14.  Jesus found a young donkey and sat upon it, as it is written,
 15.  "Do not be afraid, O Daughter of Zion; see, your king is coming, seated on a donkey's colt."

 

NIV John 12:14-16
 14.  Jesus found a young donkey and sat upon it, as it is written,
 15.  "Do not be afraid, O Daughter of Zion; see, your king is coming, seated on a donkey's colt."
 16.  At first his disciples did not understand all this. Only after Jesus was glorified did they realize that these things had been written about him and that they had done these things to him.

 

NIV John 15:25
   But this is to fulfill what is written in their Law: `They hated me without reason.'

 

NIV John 20:30-31
 30.  Jesus did many other miraculous signs in the presence of his disciples, which are not recorded in this book.
 31.  But these are written that you may  believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.

 

NIV Acts 1:20
   "For," said Peter, "it is written in the book of Psalms, "`May his place be deserted; let there be no one to dwell in it,' and, "`May another take his place of leadership.'

 

NIV Acts 7:42
   But God turned away and gave them over to the worship of the heavenly bodies. This agrees with what is written in the book of the prophets: "`Did you bring me sacrifices and offerings forty years in the desert, O house of Israel?

 

NIV Acts 13:29
   When they had carried out all that was written about him, they took him down from the tree and laid him in a tomb.

 

NIV Acts 13:32-33
 32.  "We tell you the good news: What God promised our fathers
 33.  he has fulfilled for us, their children, by raising up Jesus. As it is written in the second Psalm: "`You are my Son; today I have become your Father. '

 

NIV Acts 15:15-18
 15.  The words of the prophets are in agreement with this, as it is written:
 16.  "`After this I will return and rebuild David's fallen tent. Its ruins I will rebuild, and I will restore it,
 17.  that the remnant of men may seek the Lord, and all the Gentiles who bear my name, says the Lord, who does these things'
 18.  that have been known for ages.

 

NIV Acts 23:5
    Paul replied, "Brothers, I did not realize that he was the high priest; for  it is written: `Do not speak evil about the ruler of your people.' "

 

NIV Acts 24:14
   However, I admit that I worship the God of our fathers as a follower of the Way, which they call a sect. I believe everything that agrees with the Law and that is written in the Prophets,
    and I have the same hope in God as these men, that there will be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked. 

 

NIV Romans 1:17
   For in the gospel a righteousness from God is revealed, a righteousness that is by faith from first to last,  just as it is written: "The righteous will live by faith."

 

NIV Romans 2:24
   As it is written: "God's name is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you."

 

NIV Romans 3:4
    Not at all! Let God be true, and every man a liar. As it is written: "So that you may be proved right when you speak and prevail when you judge."

 

NIV Romans 3:10-12
 10.  As it is written: "There is no one righteous, not even one; 
 11.  there is no one who understands, no one who seeks God.
 12.  All have turned away, they have together become worthless; there is no one who does good, not even one."

 

NIV Romans 4:17
    As it is written: "I have made you a father of many nations."  He is our father in the sight of God, in whom he believed--the God who gives life to the dead and calls things that are not as though they were.

 

NIV Romans 4:23-24
 23.  The words "it was credited to him" were written not for him alone,
 24.  but also for us, to whom God will credit righteousness--for us who believe in him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead.

 

NIV Romans 8:36
   As  it is written: "For your sake we face death all day long; we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered."

 

NIV Romans 9:13
   Just as  it is written: "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated."

 

NIV Romans 9:33
    As  it is written: "See, I lay in Zion a stone that causes men to stumble and a rock that makes them fall, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame."

 

NIV Romans 10:15
    And how can they preach unless they are sent? As  it is written, "How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!"

 

NIV Romans 11:7-10
 7.  What then? What Israel sought so earnestly it did not obtain, but the elect did. The others were hardened,
 8.  as  it is written: "God gave them a spirit of stupor, eyes so that they could not see and ears so that they could not hear, to this very day."
 9.  And David says: "May their table become a snare and a trap, a stumbling block and a retribution for them.
 10.  May their eyes be darkened so they cannot see, and their backs be bent forever."

 

NIV Romans 11:26-27
 26.  And so all Israel will be saved, as  it is written: "The deliverer will come from Zion; he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
 27.  And this is  my covenant with them when I take away their sins."

 

NIV Romans 12:19
  Do not take revenge, my friends, but leave room for God's wrath, for  it is written: "It is mine to avenge; I will repay,"  says the Lord.

 

NIV Romans 14:11
   It is written: "`As surely as I live,' says the Lord, `every knee will bow before me; every tongue will confess to God.'"

 

NIV Romans 15:3-4
 3.  For even Christ did not please himself but, as  it is written: "The insults of those who insult you have fallen on me."
 4.  For everything that was written in the past was written to teach us, so that through endurance and the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope.

 

NIV Romans 15:7-12
 7.  Accept one another, then, just as Christ accepted you, in order to bring praise to God.
 8.  For I tell you that Christ has become a servant of the Jews  on behalf of God's truth, to confirm the promises made to the patriarchs
 9.  so that the Gentiles may glorify God for his mercy, as  it is written: "Therefore I will praise you among the Gentiles; I will sing hymns to your name."
 10.  Again, it says, "Rejoice, O Gentiles, with his people."
 11.  And again, "Praise the Lord, all you Gentiles, and sing praises to him, all you peoples."
 12.  And again, Isaiah says, "The Root of Jesse will spring up, one who will arise to rule over the nations; the Gentiles will hope in him."

 

NIV Romans 15:21
    Rather, as  it is written: "Those who were not told about him will see, and those who have not heard will understand." 

 

NIV 1 Corinthians 1:19
    For  it is written: "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise; the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate."

 

NIV 1 Corinthians 1:31
   Therefore, as  it is written: "Let him who boasts boast in the Lord."

 

NIV 1 Corinthians 2:9
   However, as  it is written: "No eye has seen, no ear has heard, no mind has conceived what God has prepared for those who love him" --

 

NIV 1 Corinthians 3:19-20
 19.  For the wisdom of this world is foolishness in God's sight. As  it is written: "He catches the wise in their craftiness" ;
 20.  and again, "The Lord knows that the thoughts of the wise are futile."

 

NIV 1 Corinthians 4:6
   Now, brothers, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, so that you may learn from us the meaning of the saying, "Do not go beyond what is written." Then you will not take pride in one man over against another.

 

NIV 1 Corinthians 9:9
   For  it is written in the Law of Moses: "Do not muzzle an ox while it is treading out the grain."  Is it about oxen that God is concerned?

 

NIV 1 Corinthians 10:7
   Do not be idolaters, as some of them were; as  it is written: "The people sat down to eat and drink and got up to indulge in pagan revelry."

 

NIV 1 Corinthians 10:11
   These things happened to them as examples and were written down as warnings for us, on whom the fulfillment of the ages has come.

 

NIV 1 Corinthians 14:21
   In the Law  it is written: "Through men of strange tongues and through the lips of foreigners I will speak to this people, but even then they will not listen to me," says the Lord.

 

NIV 1 Corinthians 15:45
   So  it is written: "The first man Adam became a living being" ; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit.

 

NIV 1 Corinthians 15:54
   When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: "Death has been swallowed up in victory."

 

NIV 2 Corinthians 1:13-14
 13.  For we do not write you anything you cannot read or understand. And I hope that,
 14.  as you have understood us in part, you will come to understand fully that you can boast of us just as we will boast of you in the day of the Lord Jesus.

 

NIV 2 Corinthians 4:13-14
 13.  it is written: "I believed; therefore I have spoken."  With that same spirit of faith we also believe and therefore speak,
 14.  because we know that the one who raised the Lord Jesus from the dead will also raise us with Jesus and present us with you in his presence.

 

NIV 2 Corinthians 8:15
   as  it is written: "He who gathered much did not have too much, and he who gathered little did not have too little."

 

NIV 2 Corinthians 9:9

 

NIV Galatians 3:10
   All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for  it is written: "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law."

 

NIV Galatians 3:13
   Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for  it is written: "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree."

 

NIV Galatians 4:22
  For  it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the slave woman and the other by the free woman.

 

NIV Galatians 4:27
   For  it is written: "Be glad, O barren woman, who bears no children; break forth and cry aloud, you who have no labor pains; because more are the children of the desolate woman than of her who has a husband."

 

NIV Hebrews 10:7
   Then I said, `Here I am-- it is written about me in the scroll-- I have come to do your will, O God.'"

 

NIV 1 Peter 1:16
   for it is written: "Be holy, because I am holy."

 

NIV 2 Peter 3:16
   He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.

 

NIV 1 John 2:12-14
 12.   I write to you, dear children, because your sins have been forgiven on account of his name.
 13.   I write to you, fathers, because you have known him who is from the beginning. I write to you young men, because you have overcome the evil one.  I write to you, dear children, because you have known the Father.
 14.   I write to you, fathers, because you have known him who is from the beginning. I write to you, young men, because you are strong, and the word of God lives in you, and you have overcome the evil one.

[Elsie]

 

Except that JS got his by exceptional means;

 that PERFECTLY fit the BIBLICAL description of Angels of Light and Satanic miracles!

 

Galatians 1:7-10
 7.  Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
 8.  But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
 9.  As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

 

 

2 Corinthians 11:14-15
 14.  And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.
 15.  It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.

 

 Revelation 13:13-15
 13.  And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
 14.  And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

 

 

http://scriptures.lds.org/en/js_h/1/19#19
  17 It no sooner appeared than I found myself delivered from the enemy which held me bound. When the light rested upon me I saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other—This is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!
  18 My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)—and which I should join.
  19 I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: “they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.”
  20 He again forbade me to join with any of them; and many other things did he say unto me, which I cannot write at this time. When I came to myself again, I found myself lying on my back, looking up into heaven. When the light had departed, I had no strength; but soon recovering in some degree, I went home. And as I leaned up to the fireplace, mother inquired what the matter was. I replied, “Never mind, all is well—I am well enough off.” I then said to my mother, “I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is not true.”  

 

It appears that EXPERIENCES can be deceiving...

 

 

If one believes the Bible is correct, then, by that Standard, Mormonism fails the test.

 

 

If, however, you are convinced that the Bible is either in error, been corrupted or mis-interpreted, then you are free to believe whatever you wish.

 

 

 

 

 

[ejonesie22]

Jesus is God...

Not a god, not “like god”...

Jesus is God.

Even on the midst of the twisting of his word and the deceit of the heretics the truth of the one Truine God shines forth.

Amazing isn't Zilla...

[ejonesie22]

I find it amazing that such complex answers can be given yet “Where to you go to Church” confounds our learned professor...

[svcw]

Sorry BM if lds want to believe that Jesus/God where dudes just like us who somehow over came and that they can become gods then fine. There is nothing Biblical about that.
I choose to believe in a God that is and always was and always will be.

[Godzilla]

Post the definition of theosis 10 - but you won’t because you will have refuted your position. However, it has already been refuted in the section I posted. Back to kindergarden 10, another epic fail.

heir - reading comprehension fail again 10, being an heir does not make one a god any more than those dogs and cats that have been made heirs to fortunes by their owners have become human.

Salvation, godliness, righteousness, exaltation are not synomymns