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To: Campion; Alamo-Girl
Any view of God which is perfectly comprehensible and non-mysterious to the human mind, is almost by that very fact wrong or at least gravely incomplete. It almost always ends up with an understanding of God that makes him little more than an idealized, perfected human being; a "superman" of sorts.

excellent -- and that is what is Hinduism, where their gods are now comic book superheroes (I kid you not, google "Little Ganesha" or "Bhim"), super powered individuals who are still subject to human behavior and capriciousness
63 posted on 08/14/2010 11:30:41 PM PDT by Cronos (Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. "Allah": Satan's current status)
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To: Cronos; betty boop; Campion; Mad Dawg; count-your-change
Thank you for sharing your insights, dear brother in Christ!

Of a truth, any 'god' of a mortal's imagination is like a comic book super hero or super villain simply because it is a product of the imagination.

The Hindu 'gods' are examples, ditto for the 'gods' of Greek, Roman and Norse mythology. Ditto for Islam's Allah.

Great fiction writers - whether Star Wars, Star Trek, Babylon Five, L.Ron Hubbard, Mohammed etc. - imagine powerful creaturely beings, some with form, some without, but all of them - including Star Trek's "Q" - are subordinated to Laws of Logic or reason, no doubt because they are merely figments of a mortal's imagination.

Even the 'force' of Star Trek which would roughly compare with the collective consciousness of Eastern mysticism - is constrained to the (multi)verse itself. There is no "beyond" the creature or the imagination of men.

The greater insight from the pagans comes from Plato who indeed sensed the beyond and the in between of time and timelessness.

That sensing does not arise from reasoning or physical sensory perception. Indeed, the Jewish mystics call it the neshama, the breath of God (Gen 2) which made Adam a living soul. The ordinary soul which all living creatures have is called the nephesh in Genesis 1. And the pivot wherein Adamic man (unlike bacteria, fish, daffodils and elephants) chooses to be Godly minded or earthly minded is called the ruach.

We see this choosing also in Romans 8.

The operative part in these insights from the Torah and from the words of Jesus in the Gospels, the writings of John and Paul is ruach Elohim - the Spirit of God. Without God Himself, we are blind - limited to our sensory perception and reasoning.

But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned. - I Corinthians 2:14

When a man has the spiritual gift of "ears to hear" or "eyes to see" he does not need to rationalize God or imagine Who He might be or what He might be like.

He has spiritual perception, the awareness that God IS and Who He IS, the sense of not belonging "in" this physical creation. Physical signs and wisdom will not bring a person to this insight.

And Moses called unto all Israel, and said unto them, Ye have seen all that the LORD did before your eyes in the land of Egypt unto Pharaoh, and unto all his servants, and unto all his land; The great temptations which thine eyes have seen, the signs, and those great miracles: Yet the LORD hath not given you an heart to perceive, and eyes to see, and ears to hear, unto this day. And I have led you forty years in the wilderness: your clothes are not waxen old upon you, and thy shoe is not waxen old upon thy foot. - Deuteronomy 29:2-5

And again,

For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.

Where [is] the wise? where [is] the scribe? where [is] the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?

For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom: But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness; But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men. - I Corinthians 1:18-25

Plato went as far as a seeker could go absent the revelation of Jesus Christ. He had the sense of the beyond and extraordinary wisdom. Indeed, of all the schools of philosophy, Justin Martyr found his to be the most fulfilling. But it wasn't until he heard the revelation of Jesus Christ by the mouth of Trypho the Jew, that he was saved.

So then faith [cometh] by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. - Romans 10:17

My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: - John 10:27

Why do ye not understand my speech? [even] because ye cannot hear my word. – John 8:43

God's Name is I AM.

68 posted on 08/15/2010 8:42:29 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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