All graces given by God pass through the Blessed Mother

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[armydoc]

"Some people are so foolish that they think they can go through life without the help of the Blessed Mother." "Love the Madonna and pray the rosary, for her Rosary is the weapon against the evils of the world today." "All graces given by God pass through the Blessed Mother."

[smvoice]

lol!! I thought that’s where it might be. ;)

[Secret Agent Man]

Jesus existed with God the Father and the Holy Spirit before they created everything in this world and the heavens. Just because he entered a point in time through a human being does not make that human being THE PERSON Jesus ‘came from’.

Jesus is not a created being He is God, part of the infinite Triune God. You elevate the temporal vessel He chose to enter into the physical world in, above this fact, it is terribly sad.

[J Edgar]

“Now where in Scripture is that found?”

What’s your point? Scripture is only one (1) of the three (3) pillars of Faith.
I am not going to get into Catholic Vs. Non-Catholic Christian debate here.

That you accept only one pillar, and I accept the other two as well, leads us to different views.
So be it.

[Salvation]

Or you can go here to find out that Catholics read from the Bible every day!

[Salvation]

Are you the Religion Moderator now?

Sometimes we have that kind of day. Sorry if it seemed I was taking it out on you.

[Salvation]

Please educate yourself:

The early Church fathers knew the apostles directly. They are believable.

Why do Catholics always talk about the Early Church Fathers (Apostolic Fathers)?[Ecumenical]
The Church Fathers' Marian Interpretation of the Old Testament (Catholic Caucus)
Writings of the Fathers of the Church

THE CHURCH FATHERS: A DOOR TO ROME (fundamentalist warns saying they sound too Catholic)
Were the Church Fathers Closer to Protestantism Than to Catholicism?
The Faith of Our Fathers
The Early Church Fathers
The Early Church Fathers on The Church (Catholic Caucus)
Early Church Fathers on (Oral) Tradition - Catholic/Orthodox Caucus
The Early Church Fathers on Apostolic Succession - Catholic/Orthodox Caucus
The Early Church Fathers on Purgatory - Catholic/Orthodox Caucus
The Early Church Fathers on Salvation Outside the Church [Catholic/Orthodox Caucus]
The Early Church Fathers on Mary’s Perpetual Virginity - Catholic/Orthodox Caucus
The Early Church Fathers on The Primacy of Peter/Rome (Catholic/Orthodox Caucus)

Early Church Fathers on (Oral) Tradition - Catholic/Orthodox Caucus
The Early Church Fathers on Apostolic Succession - Catholic/Orthodox Caucus
The Early Church Fathers on Purgatory - Catholic/Orthodox Caucus
The Early Church Fathers on Salvation Outside the Church [Catholic/Orthodox Caucus]
The Early Church Fathers on Mary’s Perpetual Virginity - Catholic/Orthodox Caucus
The Early Church Fathers on The Primacy of Peter/Rome (Catholic/Orthodox Caucus)
Early Church Fathers on (Oral) Tradition - Catholic/Orthodox Caucus
The Early Church Fathers on Apostolic Succession - Catholic/Orthodox Caucus
The Early Church Fathers on Purgatory - Catholic/Orthodox Caucus
The Early Church Fathers on Salvation Outside the Church [Catholic/Orthodox Caucus]
The Early Church Fathers on Mary’s Perpetual Virginity - Catholic/Orthodox Caucus
The Early Church Fathers on The Primacy of Peter/Rome (Catholic/Orthodox Caucus)

The Early Church Fathers on Hell - Catholic/Orthodox Caucus
The Early Church Fathers on Intercession of the Saints - Catholic/Orthodox Caucus
The Early Church Fathers on The Real Presence - Catholic/Orthodox Caucus
The Early Church Fathers on Confession / Reconciliation - Catholic/Orthodox Caucus
The Early Church Fathers on the Immaculate Conception - Catholic/Orthodox Caucus
The Early Church Fathers on Justification - Catholic/Orthodox Caucus
The Early Church Fathers on Contraception - Catholic/Orthodox Caucus
The Early Church Fathers on Baptism - Catholic/Orthodox Caucus
The Early Church Fathers on The Mother of God - Catholic/Orthodox Caucus
Quotes from the Early Church Fathers

Early Church Fathers - Worship on Sabbath or Sunday
The Early Church Fathers on the Assumption [Catholic/Orthodox Caucus]
Look to the Church Fathers to Shed Light on Modern Problems, Writes the Pope
On St. Clement of Rome -The Church Has a Sacramental, Not Political Structure (March 7, 2007)
Truly a Doctor of Unity (St. Ignatius of Antioch) (March 14, 2007)
St. Justin Martyr: He Considered Christianity the “True Philosophy” (March 21, 2007)
St. Irenaeus of Lyons: The First Great Theologian of the Church (March 28, 2007)
St. Clement of Alexandria: One of the Great Promoters of Dialogue Between Faith and Reason (April 18, 2007)
On Origen of Alexandria: He Was a True Teacher (April 25, 2007)
Origen: The Privileged Path to Knowing God Is Love

[ansel12]

"If Gibson was baptized, yes, he still is a Catholic"
"I really don’t appreciate the bait and trap tactics that you used."

It isn't bait and trap, it was a straight up question, but thanks for the attempted smear, depending on the thread, you switch from 'once a Catholic, always a Catholic', to saying that a Catholic like Mel Gibson is not a Catholic.

On this thread you claimed again that 'once a Catholic always a Catholic' so asking about your previously posting that Mel Gibson is not a Catholic is a valid question.

Now you are saying that Mel is a Catholic.

[Conservativegreatgrandma]

I’ll just take God at his word when he says that “no man comes to the Father, except by Me.”

[Salvation]

More education here about the Magisterium:

(Hope it helps!)

Allen interview of Cardinal George supports report of ‘parallel magisterium’ worries
The Magisterium: A Precious Gift (Catholic Caucus)
Catholic Biblical Apologetics: The Charism of Infallibility: The Magisterium
Anti-Popes and Dangers of a Parallel Magisterium (Church under attack) [Catholic Caucus]
Pontiff Calls for Complete Fidelity to Magisterium

Modernism and the Magisterium
Catholic Word of the Day: EXTRAORDINARY MAGISTERIUM , 10-23-09
“Exemplary loyalty and devotion to the Holy Father and the magisterium”
Nostra Aetate [Catholic Magisterium Rejecting Collective Guilt of Jews]
Docility (on Catholic dogma and infallibility)
The Magisterium: A precious gift
Welcome To The Catholic Church: A Gated Community? [Ecumenical]
Catholic Tide Is Turning: Interview With Author David Hartline
The Development of Doctrine
Thank God For the Magisterium

THE CHURCH'S MAGISTERIUM
Catholic Caucus: How the Infallibility of the Magisterium Protects Us
The Magisterium: A Complex and Diverse Reality
What Is the Magisterium and Why Do We Need It?
Secretary of State: a Top Collaborator In Governance of Universal Church
Pope’s challenge of true Catholic university: faithfulness to the Magesterium
Confraternity of Catholic Clergy 2005
German cardinal lashes out at 'secular Europe' (Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger)
Does the Bishops' voter guide confuse priorities of magisterial teaching?
Does The Vatican Have A Duty To Declare One Roman Catholic Church in China?

[aMorePerfectUnion]

“All graces given by God pass through the Blessed Mother.”

Of course not. She doesn’t stand between Christians and God.

[armydoc]

Everything you think comes to you from Christ, would never have come to you at all had not Mary agreed.

A couple of points here. First, God told Mary through an angel that she would bear the Son of God. He did not ask her permission. Yes, she responded rightly. But do you really think she could have thwarted the redemptive plan of God? She says, "no thanks" and God says, "well, I tried. They will all just have to die in their sins". If you believe this, then your God is waaaay too small. Perhaps that is why you feel the need to supplement Him with Mary and the Saints? There are numerous examples in the lineage of Christ that His ancestors were faithful to the commands of God, by which they were positioned to be in Christ's lineage. Do they all get "hyperdulia"?

Second, the real power player in terms of whether Jesus is born to a husband and wife in the lineage of David was Joseph. He could have "put her away", but he obeyed God as well. Does he get "hyperdulia"? Why not?

[ConservativeMind]

It’s cool. No problems here, and you actually didn’t target me with anything.

However, I know you are used to policing Catholic Caucus threads (and the like) and are not afraid to bring down the delete button of the Religion Moderator, as I’ve been the subject of that on one or two occasions.

I just wanted to highlight your running to the Religion Moderator over AN OPEN THREAD, in which that Mod’s own words say effectively, “anything goes, so don’t be thin-skinned or you will be booted.”

Otherwise, and you probably know this, outside of this area of Protestant vs. Catholic issues, I’m probably 100% behind you.

[Salvation]

I can't tell you why, but I feel the Holy Spirit urging me to post this story on this thread. Forgiveness is so important.

The Word Among Us

Meditation: Matthew 18:21–19:1

“So will my heavenly Father do to you, unless each of you forgives his brother from his heart.” (Matthew 18:35)

There is a story about a world-weary elderly man after the time of the French Revolution who was reduced to begging. He wandered from town to town, seeking alms to keep himself alive. Upon entering one small town, he made his way to the church, hoping for a handout. He wasn’t a churchgoing man himself, but he stayed there because of the steady stream of passersby.

One day, after watching the beggar on the church steps, a young priest of the parish approached him. He gave the beggar a cloak and invited him to his own house for a meal. The beggar hesitated, saying he was not a religious man, but the priest insisted. For several days afterward, the priest invited him to find shelter in the rectory. Finally, the beggar agreed and spent many days receiving the care and hospitality of his new friend. Eventually, through this priest’s witness, the man decided to come back to the church.

He tearfully confessed to the priest that he felt alienated from God because of the guilt he felt for betraying the family he had worked for as a young man. His employer had entrusted his wife and children to his care during the Revolution, but the man betrayed them. He handed them over to the authorities, and all but the youngest child were sent to the guillotine.

After telling the priest his story, the man lifted his eyes and saw on the wall a portrait of the very family he had betrayed. He asked where the painting came from, and the young priest, with tears in his eyes, said that this was his family. He was the youngest child. Everyone else had been executed during the Revolution. Uttering the words of absolution, the priest added, “and I forgive you as well. Be at peace.”

We may not have to forgive such a grievous wrong, but we are all called to forgive—especially those closest to us, who often hurt us most deeply. Forgiveness like this opens the gates of heaven and allows God’s grace to be poured out on us and on the person we forgive. So let this story inspire you. And let it move you to be merciful as well!

“Lord, help me to become a channel of your mercy in my home!”

Ezekiel 12:1-12; Psalm 78:56-59,61-62

[Theo]

Are you saying that the Creator (God) must obey the created (Mary)? The Creator can refuse Mary nothing? Hm. Maybe I’m not understanding you, because that sounds really heretical.

[houeto]

Mary’s power is from Jesus.

Not trying to start anything. Lord knows there's enough stuff going on here already but, does Mary have powers that other saved sinners do not have?

[Salvation]

A favorite quote of mine:

"Never apologize for the Blessed Virgin Mary!"

~~Mother Angelica

[aposiopetic]

Would Moses also be dust, seeing as how he died (Deut. 34:5)?

If so, how is it that he was having a conversation with Jesus (Mt. 17:3) ?

[aMorePerfectUnion]

Salvation,
Thanks for sharing your favorite quote.

Mine is, “Protestants make far too little of the place God gave to Mary. Catholics too much.”

Obviously, not all Catholics. But they’re out there!

best,
ampu

[houeto]

Only Mary was asked for her permission to host the incarnation of God Almighty -- to donate her flesh to His Spirit.

Does that mean that if she had said , "No.", there would not have been a savior?

[Salvation]

What about the passage from Matthew where at the moment of Christ’s death, the temple curtain tears in half and souls come out of their graves and are visible to many — not to all, but to many?

I believe that Moses may have beeen one of those souls who regained his body and might have been seen in Jerusalem at the moement of Christ’s death.

It’s such a powerful scene.

(Oh, I forgot, Catholics don’t read the Bible and don’t know of such things. LOL!