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Posted on 08/11/2010 10:43:46 AM PDT by greyfoxx39
Blue Goose
I am so glad you are concerned about sources
Now go over and help your friend Rip who seems to lack the skills you have as he posts his daily mormon caucus...
I'm not really concerned about sourses but others are. i also sent this to the RM because of some requirement.
maybe you ought to go outside and play baseball or something.
Thanks much for posting this article. It is very interesting.
The mostly absurd comments from the anti-Mormon regulars afterwards... not so much.
As far as the attack posts from the anti-Mormon attack squad regulars go, I invite everyone to read all of them and then do some research on your own from more than one side of the “issues”. Don’t forget to check out the vast multitude of others threads just bursting at the seams with anti-Mormon propaganda. You’ll find all sorts of copy/paste fun as well as tons of off the cuff /sarcasm “loving comments” /sarcasm off.
Is what all these Mormon attack squad people parrot day in and and day out on these boards true? Don’t take their word for it. Find out for yourself. Put forth some effort. You do want the truth right? Prove it.
Read both sides. Talk to both sides. Not just mine. Not just theirs. Make up your own mind.
Here’s a few links to get your started from a different viewpoint. The vast majority of the issues brought up can be found and addressed at http://www.fairlds.org/ I have found but here’s more.
http://scriptures.lds.org/
http://www.lds.org
http://www.fairlds.org/
http://www.mormonwiki.com/Main_Page
http://www.lightplanet.com/response/index.html
http://www.jefflindsay.com/LDS_Intro.shtml
http://www.answeringantimormons.com/index.htm
http://promormon.blogspot.com/
I forgot to add..thanks for your many bumps to my thread...helps keep it going.
Just one site vs. the many posted by PD. This one site should provide some very valid and good counter-arguments for those of you interested in finding “the truth” vs. the numerous needed to “address the vast majority of issues”. Yet, “the vast majority” is not all is it? I wonder why all of “the issues” aren’t addressed by the many sites provided?
http://www.irr.org/mit/default.html
Any mormon is free to present their side of the “issues” PD, yet few do. Why is that? Is it because they won’t “put forth some effort”?
No one here is forcing anyone to accept what any of us post.
Disclosure: I’m an ex-mormon who has “converted” to Christianity. I have been married to a mormon for over 20 years and she is a very devout and practicing member of the religion. I am now considered a “mormon basher” because I post my knowledge of and experiences of mormonism on these boards. However, this is a tame reference compared to some of the others I and others have been called by mormons and their defenders.
I found that the “revelation” found in Doctrine and Convenants Sect. 132 is not Biblical in nature and this was but one point of contention with mormon doctrine that prompted me to leave mormonism. In D&C 132, Mormons teach that men can become gods. If you aspire to godhood, then mormonism is the religion for you. If you aspire to reside and dwell in and with Christ, then it’s not.
What mormons won’t tell you is that once you’re “exalted”, you graduate to your own heaven and your own planet to rule over as god. You then get to populate your planet through the eternal process of procreating with your wives in your heaven. You leave the presence of God to become one.
But, as PD has said, don’t just take my word for it. If you’re interested in the pitch, by all means research it. But be forewarned, many of the words used by mormons are Christian and Biblical words. However, their meanings and uses are quite different in many instances.
I would recommend that if you are interested in your eternal salvation and are investigating mormonism to sit down with your pastor, priest, preacher, etc. Someone who is knowledgeable in Biblical scripture and discuss what you’re learning and what you’ve been told about mormonism.
Test what you’re hearing, be like the Bereans of the Bible. It pays to be cynical/skeptical.
God did not give you a brain for you to then use your heart instead when making decisions of this magnitude.
FRegards,
SZ
As for your assertion:
“The mostly absurd comments from the anti-Mormon regulars afterwards... not so much”
As with all of your assertions it is long on words, short on substantive facts or citation.
So I think you for once again showing the empty hand of the LDS apologist as well. you do a great service to those of use bringing toe truth to those caught in or contplationg the LDS.
It is impossible to fathom how such could be countered given its detail and substance.
Are you the walrus?
Please respond to the content of the article.
Nothing more.
Nothing less.
We aren't seeing much "refuatation" and further research shows why.
Bridges of Faith Between Mormons and Muslims
Are Mormons the Bridge Between the Christian and Muslim Faiths?
A Latter-day Saint Perspective on Muhammad
Latter-day Saint Interest in Muhammad
One of the noteworthy examples of the Latter-day Saint commitment to treasure up true principles and cultivate affirmative gratitude is the admiration that Church leaders have expressed over the years for the spiritual contributions of Muhammad.
As early as 1855, at a time when Christian literature generally ridiculed Muhammad as the Antichrist and the archenemy of Western civilization, Elders George A. Smith (1817–75) and Parley P. Pratt (1807–57) of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles delivered lengthy sermons demonstrating an accurate and balanced understanding of Islamic history and speaking highly of Muhammad’s leadership. Elder Smith observed that Muhammad was “descended from Abraham and was no doubt raised up by God on purpose” to preach against idolatry. He sympathized with the plight of Muslims, who, like Latter-day Saints, found it difficult “to get an honest history” written about them. Speaking next, Elder Pratt went on to express his admiration for Muhammad’s teachings, asserting that “upon the whole, … [Muslims] have better morals and better institutions than many Christian nations.” 9
Latter-day Saint appreciation of Muhammad’s role in history can also be found in the 1978 First Presidency statement regarding God’s love for all mankind. This declaration specifically mentions Muhammad as one of “the great religious leaders of the world” who received “a portion of God’s light” and affirms that “moral truths were given to [these leaders] by God to enlighten whole nations and to bring a higher level of understanding to individuals.” 10
In recent years, respect for the spiritual legacy of Muhammad and for the religious values of the Islamic community has led to increasing contact and cooperation between Latter-day Saints and Muslims around the world. This is due in part to the presence of Latter-day Saint congregations in areas such as the Levant, North Africa, the Persian Gulf, and Southeast Asia. The Church has sought to respect Islamic laws and traditions that prohibit conversion of Muslims to other faiths by adopting a policy of nonproselyting in Islamic countries of the Middle East. Yet examples of dialogue and cooperation abound, including visits of Muslim dignitaries at Church headquarters in Salt Lake City; Muslim use of Church canning facilities to produce halal (ritually clean) food products; Church humanitarian aid and disaster relief sent to predominantly Muslim areas including Jordan, Kosovo, and Turkey; academic agreements between Brigham Young University and various educational and governmental institutions in the Islamic world; the existence of the Muslim Student Association at BYU; and expanding collaboration between the Church and Islamic organizations to safeguard traditional family values worldwide. 11 The recent initiation of the Islamic Translation Series, cosponsored by BYU and the Church, has resulted in several significant exchanges between Muslim officials and Latter-day Saint Church leaders. A Muslim ambassador to the United Nations predicted that this translation series “will play a positive role in the West’s quest for a better understanding of Islam.” 12
A cabinet minister in Egypt, aware of the common ground shared by Muslims and Latter-day Saints, once remarked to Elder Howard W. Hunter of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles that “if a bridge is ever built between Christianity and Islam it must be built by the Mormon Church.” 13 The examples of Latter-day Saint–Muslim interaction mentioned above, together with the Church’s establishment in 1989 of two major centers for educational and cultural exchange in the Middle East (Jerusalem and Amman), reflect the traditional attitude of respect for Islam that Church leaders have exhibited from earliest times. These activities represent tangible evidence of Latter-day Saint commitment to promote greater understanding of the Muslim world and witness an emerging role for the Church in helping to bridge the gap that has existed historically between Muslims and Christians.
“So I think you for once again showing the empty hand of the LDS apologist as well.”
Thank you for continuing to prove my points. I never said I was an apologist. And empty hand? You only prove my point again as I said. I have given you all you need. You just don’t want to hear it.
No problem. Free will eh?
Like Szonian (or however you spell it) said, everyone talk to and investigate both sides. On this point we do agree.
” Yet, “the vast majority” is not all is it? I wonder why all of “the issues” aren’t addressed by the many sites provided?”
Your reading comprehension is either off or I didn’t spell it out clearly enough. The one site in particular addresses the vast majority of “the issues”. Actually it may address them all, I don’t bother to look up every single silly thing that the anti-Mormon squad on this board brings up to see exactly where it is addressed.
I think it fairly safe to say that if some “issue” is not found at the one site it can be found on one of the others.
You see, none of these “issues” are anything new. It’s all old and tired and already addressed.
The bottom line for anyone and everyone is,”Is the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints the true and restored church?”
Yes. It is.
If you really want to find out. You can know it too.
Seriously? It is lds themselves that make the comparison.
http://www.cumorah.com/index.php?target=gospel_topics&story_id=10
Well, since you implied my "reading comprehension" may be lacking, I could imply the same about yours or are you addressing your comment to "all"? If the latter, you may want to put the word "all" in the "To:" block next time to prevent a lack of comprehension.
I've clearly stated, I'm an ex-mo, converted to Christianity. I have no further interest in "finding out" anything further related to the mormon church. I have three priorities right now; submit my resignation letter (short term), get my family out of it (mormonISM)(long-term) and to continue my witness about my experiences in the LdS church(very long-term).
The "issues" may be "old and tired" for some. But, most importantly, for those who may be investigating mormonism, they may not be. As many know and have clearly stated and proven, the mormon missionaries and many mormons will NOT discuss the many things posted here. They may be quite revealing to some. (I have noticed a few posts on various threads indicating this to be the case.) For others, such as ourselves, they are not.
Since you continue to parse words and address the posts and posters as "anti-Mormon" vs. anti-mormonISM, is it your contention that we have something personal against mormons (the people themsleves)? If so, can you clearly identify where exactly, any of us have demonstrated that? Otherwise, I interpret the continued use of the phrase as an intentional attempt to marginalize us "anti's" as "haters" of the individuals themselves.
And, to prove your assertion about the "true and restored church", can you show us how and when Christ lost his bride?
Found as many links as I could from the sites you recommend:
http://www.fairlds.org/pubs/muslim.pdf
http://www.lightplanet.com/mormons/daily/interfaith/Islam_EOM.htm
http://www.jefflindsay.com/LDSFAQ/FQ_BMEvidence.shtml
Now, tell me, how are the content of those sites different than the posted article???
Found as many links as I could from the sites you recommend:
http://www.fairlds.org/pubs/muslim.pdf
http://www.lightplanet.com/mormons/daily/interfaith/Islam_EOM.htm
http://www.jefflindsay.com/LDSFAQ/FQ_BMEvidence.shtml
Now, tell me, how are the content of those sites different than the posted article???
First, I’d like to applaud you on putting forth some effort!
But you must have missed my very first post in this thread where I said:
“Thanks much for posting this article. It is very interesting.
The mostly absurd comments from the anti-Mormon regulars afterwards... not so much.”
Who said I had any problem with the posted article?
Sz the tag “Anti-Mormon” is not neccesarily referring to the individual. We pretty much identify ourselves closely with our religious beliefs. Can you grasp what I am saying?
Honestly I grasp what you are saying I just disagree with how you are looking at it. I tell you what though, as soon as I see the regular anti gang on here stop belittling and acting in a manner far from someone showing actual Christlike concern for others, I’ll change my use of the term, just for you, even though it is accurate.
As far as putting “all” in the header, I know that everyone can see the post so I don’t see the point. Perhaps you like everyone getting a notice or something? I am unsure if “all” means only those involved in the thread to that point or not. So.. my apologies. I was not addressing you directly with my comments it was to all readers. I would have sent you a private reply otherwise.
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