Glenn Beck, Another Whitefield? The 8/28 Revival of Pluralism

Caffeinated Thoughts ^ | July 25, 2010 | David Shedlock

[grassboots.org]

Talk show host Glenn Beck regularly provides conservatives with a wealth of useful information. He can be witty, self-deprecating, and endearing on the radio while dead serious and engaging on TV. Sometimes you laugh until you cry. Sometimes you just cry. There is a great deal to commend in his efforts. Dr. Beck (who received an honorary doctorate from the late Jerry Falwell’s Liberty University), diagnoses the Progressive Movement as the disease killing our land, then courageously goes after people in high places, especially the latest menu of Marxist fruits, flakes, and nuts the Barack Obama administration serves us up for breakfast every morning. According to Deseret News, “Beck also doesn't shy away from religious topics, spending much of another show this week talking about salvation through Jesus Christ.”

Speaking of religion, The Number Three Talker in the Land recently traveled around the country holding “American Revival” meetings in preparation for a huge “Restore Honor” rally in Washington, DC next month, to be held at the foot of the Lincoln Memorial. Tens of thousands will probably attend the August 28^th and 29^th events, perhaps more. Because showman Beck knows how to generate buzz by only dishing out rally information in small doses, details are sketchy. We do know former Vice-Presidential candidate Sarah Palin is an integral part of the event though Beck denies the emphasis will be on politics. It is almost a certainty there will be a heavy dose of Patriotism and religion. The rallies are set to promote the ethics of Faith, Hope, and Charity, show support for the military, and emphasize putting God back at the forefront of our lives.

[RnMomof7]

Whitfield and Wesley were friends.. ..at the time of their ministry they were Anglicans and Anglicans were Calvinists.

Method/ism was a method of living out the Christian faith that they taught ..as Wesley moved away from Calvinism into a more arminian theology the split us..

Northern Ireland was mostly Calvinist Methodism

Whitfield was the stronger preacher of the 2 .

Both men are turning over in their graves at what has become of Methodism

[RnMomof7]

Billy Graham lost all discernment long ago .. so nothing would surprise me that he did..

I think the pope is a socialist so he is unlikely to show

[RnMomof7]

You get me wrong, I think. I do not have a problem with Glenn Beck, in fact I listen to him almost every day, and enjoy most of what he says. But when he starts pushing HIS religion as Christianity, then I have a problem with him. Glenn is a likable guy, and extremely funny (along with his cohorts) and I think he does a fine job getting the masses motivated

Me too.. I often think that he is a stealth about pushing Mormonism as he tells us the socialists are about their agenda

[RnMomof7]

Is the catholic Jesus the same as the pentecostal Jesus? Is the baptist Jesus the same as the lutheran Jesus? All denominations or sects have something different from each other. Just because mormonism's Jesus is different from the evangelical Jesus doesn't make the evangelical Jesus any better than the mormon Jesus. Christianity started somewhere though, and I'm pretty sure everyone's modern Jesus is way different from the original one before man started modifying and corrupting christianity according to man's need.

Christians all believe in a triune God .. The Mormon god is an exaulted man , and he and his wives have celestial sex to a 3rd the "spirit " is a disembodied spirit child..

That is not the Christian God

They also believe that worthy Mormons will get to be gods of their own planets and make spirit babies to populate it.. Glenn is working real hard to get that planet

[Helen]

Have to give these paid shills their due. They can change the direction of a conversation without any problem whatsoever.

I’m not Mormon either, but my husband and I will be at the Lincoln Memorial on 8/28. I think there are a lot - a lot - of people who are supporting people who are trying to get us back on the right track before we lose it all. Not just anyone could put together a “Restoring Honor” gathering, and I don’t worry about Beck’s religion, his nationality, his ability to successfully generate revenue, or his skin color.

It’s not as much Conservatives eating their own as it is pretenders acting as conservatives in order to tear down, de-moralize, and divide.

I’m looking forward in a big way to 8/28.

[irishtenor]

I agree. I NEVER misspell when I talk, either :>)

[grassboots.org]

Thanks Stu and Leo.

[grassboots.org]

” Saying Beck mocks God for judging sin is simply untrue”

You are defending the indefensible. I watched the entire Salt Lake City Revival speech. Beck suggested there is no lake of fire, then proceeded to mock a vengeful god as some monster. God is vengeful. But Mormons believe only a few people will go to hell (however you Greek scholars want to quibble over its meaning). Maybe Hitler, maybe Stalin. You have to try real hard, they say.

[grassboots.org]

I love your tag line. I recently wrote a blog post about "mild oaths"

[grassboots.org]

Legatus, you’re tail is even wagging as you say these things.

:-)

[Elsie]

Should the SHTF I will die on my feet among my Christian fellow American friends and family before I bend a knee to my enemies.

I admire your patriotism; but there is more to life than death.

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It is appointed unto man once to die; and, after this, the judgement.

Hebrews 9:27

[Elsie]

 

They also believe that worthy Mormons will get to be gods of their own planets and make spirit babies to populate it..

 

 

How can you SAY such a heretical thing!!

 

--MormonDude(Oh... wait... It's right here in our scriptures)

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THE
DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS

SECTION 132

 

Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Nauvoo, Illinois, recorded July 12, 1843, relating to the new and everlasting covenant, including the eternity of the marriage covenant, as also plurality of wives. HC 5: 501–507. Although the revelation was recorded in 1843, it is evident from the historical records that the doctrines and principles involved in this revelation had been known by the Prophet since 1831.

1–6, Exaltation is gained through the new and everlasting covenant; 7–14, The terms and conditions of that covenant are set forth; 15–20, Celestial marriage and a continuation of the family unit enable men to become gods; 21–25, The strait and narrow way that leads to eternal lives; 26–27, Law given relative to blasphemy against the Holy Ghost; 28–39, Promises of eternal increase and exaltation made to prophets and saints in all ages; 40–47, Joseph Smith is given the power to bind and seal on earth and in heaven; 48–50, The Lord seals upon him his exaltation; 51–57, Emma Smith is counseled to be faithful and true; 58–66, Laws governing the plurality of wives are set forth.

 

  1 Verily, thus saith the Lord unto you my servant Joseph, that inasmuch as you have inquired of my hand to know and understand wherein I, the Lord, justified my servants Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, as also Moses, David and Solomon, my servants, as touching the principle and doctrine of their having many ^awives and ^bconcubines—

  2 Behold, and lo, I am the Lord thy God, and will answer thee as touching this matter.

  3 Therefore, ^aprepare thy heart to receive and ^bobey the instructions which I am about to give unto you; for all those who have this law revealed unto them must obey the same.

  4 For behold, I reveal unto you a new and an everlasting ^acovenant; and if ye abide not that covenant, then are ye ^bdamned; for no one can ^creject this covenant and be permitted to enter into my glory.

  5 For all who will have a ^ablessing at my hands shall abide the ^blaw which was appointed for that blessing, and the conditions thereof, as were instituted from before the foundation of the world.

  6 And as pertaining to the new and ^aeverlasting covenant, it was instituted for the fulness of my ^bglory; and he that receiveth a fulness thereof must and shall abide the law, or he shall be damned, saith the Lord God.

  7 And verily I say unto you, that the ^aconditions of this law are these: All covenants, contracts, bonds, obligations, ^boaths, ^cvows, performances, connections, associations, or expectations, that are not made and entered into and ^dsealed by the Holy Spirit of promise, of him who is ^eanointed, both as well for time and for all eternity, and that too most holy, by ^frevelation and commandment through the medium of mine anointed, whom I have appointed on the earth to hold this ^gpower (and I have appointed unto my servant Joseph to hold this ^hpower in the last days, and there is never but one on the earth at a time on whom this power and the ⁱkeys of this priesthood are conferred), are of no efficacy, virtue, or force in and after the resurrection from the dead; for all contracts that are not made unto this end have an end when men are dead.

  8 Behold, mine house is a house of ^aorder, saith the Lord God, and not a house of confusion.

  9 Will I ^aaccept of an offering, saith the Lord, that is not made in my name?

  10 Or will I receive at your hands that which I have not ^aappointed?

  11 And will I appoint unto you, saith the Lord, except it be by law, even as I and my Father ^aordained unto you, before the world was?

  12 I am the Lord thy God; and I give unto you this commandment—that no man shall ^acome unto the Father but by me or by my word, which is my law, saith the Lord.

  13 And everything that is in the world, whether it be ordained of men, by ^athrones, or principalities, or powers, or things of name, whatsoever they may be, that are not by me or by my word, saith the Lord, shall be thrown down, and shall ^bnot remain after men are dead, neither in nor after the resurrection, saith the Lord your God.

  14 For whatsoever things remain are by me; and whatsoever things are not by me shall be shaken and destroyed.

  15 Therefore, if a ^aman marry him a wife in the world, and he marry her not by me nor by my word, and he covenant with her so long as he is in the world and she with him, their covenant and marriage are not of force when they are dead, and when they are out of the world; therefore, they are not bound by any law when they are out of the world.

  16 Therefore, when they are out of the world they neither marry nor are given in ^amarriage; but are appointed angels in ^bheaven, which angels are ministering ^cservants, to minister for those who are worthy of a far more, and an exceeding, and an eternal weight of glory.

  17 For these angels did not abide my law; therefore, they cannot be enlarged, but remain separately and singly, without exaltation, in their saved condition, to all eternity; and from henceforth are not gods, but are ^aangels of God forever and ever.

  18 And again, verily I say unto you, if a man marry a wife, and make a covenant with her for time and for all eternity, if that ^acovenant is not by me or by my word, which is my law, and is not sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise, through him whom I have anointed and appointed unto this power, then it is not valid neither of force when they are out of the world, because they are not joined by me, saith the Lord, neither by my word; when they are out of the world it cannot be received there, because the angels and the gods are appointed there, by whom they cannot pass; they cannot, therefore, inherit my glory; for my house is a house of order, saith the Lord God.

  19 And again, verily I say unto you, if a man ^amarry a wife by my word, which is my law, and by the new and ^beverlasting covenant, and it is ^csealed unto them by the Holy Spirit of ^dpromise, by him who is anointed, unto whom I have appointed this power and the ^ekeys of this priesthood; and it shall be said unto them—Ye shall come forth in the first resurrection; and if it be after the first resurrection, in the next resurrection; and shall inherit ^fthrones, kingdoms, principalities, and powers, dominions, all heights and depths—then shall it be written in the Lamb’s ^gBook of Life, that he shall commit no ^hmurder whereby to shed innocent ⁱblood, and if ye abide in my covenant, and commit no murder whereby to shed innocent blood, it shall be done unto them in all things whatsoever my servant hath put upon them, in time, and through all eternity; and shall be of full force when they are out of the world; and they shall pass by the angels, and the gods, which are set there, to their ^jexaltation and glory in all things, as hath been sealed upon their heads, which glory shall be a fulness and a continuation of the ^kseeds forever and ever.

  20 Then shall they be gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from ^aeverlasting to everlasting, because they continue; then shall they be above all, because all things are subject unto them. Then shall they be ^bgods, because they have ^call power, and the angels are subject unto them.

  21 Verily, verily, I say unto you, except ye abide my ^alaw ye cannot attain to this glory.

  22 For ^astrait is the gate, and narrow the ^bway that leadeth unto the exaltation and continuation of the ^clives, and few there be that find it, because ye receive me not in the world neither do ye know me.

  23 But if ye receive me in the world, then shall ye know me, and shall receive your exaltation; that ^awhere I am ye shall be also.

  24 This is ^aeternal lives—to ^bknow the only wise and true God, and Jesus Christ, whom he hath ^csent. I am he. Receive ye, therefore, my law.

  25 ^aBroad is the gate, and wide the way that leadeth to the ^bdeaths; and many there are that go in thereat, because they ^creceive me not, neither do they abide in my law.

  26 Verily, verily, I say unto you, if a man marry a wife according to my word, and they are sealed by the ^aHoly Spirit of promise, according to mine appointment, and he or she shall commit any sin or transgression of the new and everlasting covenant whatever, and all manner of blasphemies, and if they ^bcommit no murder wherein they shed innocent blood, yet they shall come forth in the first resurrection, and enter into their exaltation; but they shall be destroyed in the flesh, and shall be ^cdelivered unto the buffetings of ^dSatan unto the day of ^eredemption, saith the Lord God.

  27 The ^ablasphemy against the Holy Ghost, which shall ^bnot be ^cforgiven in the world nor out of the world, is in that ye commit ^dmurder wherein ye shed innocent blood, and assent unto my death, after ye have received my new and everlasting covenant, saith the Lord God; and he that abideth not this law can in nowise enter into my glory, but shall be ^edamned, saith the Lord.

  28 I am the Lord thy God, and will give unto thee the ^alaw of my Holy Priesthood, as was ordained by me and my Father before the world was.

  29 ^aAbraham received all things, whatsoever he received, by revelation and commandment, by my word, saith the Lord, and hath entered into his exaltation and sitteth upon his throne.

  30 ^aAbraham received promises concerning his seed, and of the fruit of his loins—from whose ^bloins ye are, namely, my servant Joseph—which were to continue so long as they were in the world; and as touching Abraham and his seed, out of the world they should continue; both in the world and out of the world should they continue as innumerable as the ^cstars; or, if ye were to count the sand upon the seashore ye could not number them.

  31 This promise is yours also, because ye are of ^aAbraham, and the promise was made unto Abraham; and by this law is the continuation of the works of my Father, wherein he glorifieth himself.

  32 Go ye, therefore, and do the ^aworks of Abraham; enter ye into my law and ye shall be saved.

  33 But if ye enter not into my law ye cannot receive the promise of my Father, which he made unto Abraham.

  34 God ^acommanded Abraham, and Sarah gave ^bHagar to Abraham to wife. And why did she do it? Because this was the law; and from Hagar sprang many people. This, therefore, was fulfilling, among other things, the promises.

  35 Was Abraham, therefore, under condemnation? Verily I say unto you, Nay; for I, the Lord, ^acommanded it.

  36 Abraham was ^acommanded to offer his son Isaac; nevertheless, it was written: Thou shalt not ^bkill. Abraham, however, did not refuse, and it was accounted unto him for ^crighteousness.

  37 Abraham received ^aconcubines, and they bore him children; and it was accounted unto him for righteousness, because they were given unto him, and he abode in my law; as Isaac also and ^bJacob did none other things than that which they were commanded; and because they did none other things than that which they were commanded, they have entered into their ^cexaltation, according to the promises, and sit upon thrones, and are not angels but are gods.

  38 David also received ^amany wives and concubines, and also Solomon and Moses my servants, as also many others of my servants, from the beginning of creation until this time; and in nothing did they sin save in those things which they received not of me.

  39 ^aDavid’s wives and concubines were ^bgiven unto him of me, by the hand of Nathan, my servant, and others of the prophets who had the ^ckeys of this power; and in none of these things did he ^dsin against me save in the case of ^eUriah and his wife; and, therefore he hath ^ffallen from his exaltation, and received his portion; and he shall not inherit them out of the world, for I ^ggave them unto another, saith the Lord.

  40 I am the Lord thy God, and I gave unto thee, my servant Joseph, an ^aappointment, and restore all things. Ask what ye will, and it shall be given unto you according to my word.

  41 And as ye have asked concerning adultery, verily, verily, I say unto you, if a man ^areceiveth a wife in the new and everlasting covenant, and if she be with another man, and I have not appointed unto her by the holy ^banointing, she hath committed ^cadultery and shall be destroyed.

  42 If she be not in the new and everlasting covenant, and she be with another man, she has ^acommitted adultery.

  43 And if her husband be with another woman, and he was under a ^avow, he hath broken his vow and hath committed adultery.

  44 And if she hath not committed adultery, but is innocent and hath not broken her vow, and she knoweth it, and I reveal it unto you, my servant Joseph, then shall you have power, by the power of my Holy Priesthood, to take her and ^agive her unto him that hath not committed ^badultery but hath been ^cfaithful; for he shall be made ruler over many.

  45 For I have conferred upon you the ^akeys and power of the priesthood, wherein I ^brestore all things, and make known unto you all things in due time.

  46 And verily, verily, I say unto you, that whatsoever you ^aseal on earth shall be sealed in heaven; and whatsoever you ^bbind on earth, in my name and by my word, saith the Lord, it shall be eternally bound in the heavens; and whosesoever sins you ^cremit on earth shall be remitted eternally in the heavens; and whosesoever sins you retain on earth shall be retained in heaven.

  47 And again, verily I say, whomsoever you bless I will bless, and whomsoever you curse I will ^acurse, saith the Lord; for I, the Lord, am thy God.

  48 And again, verily I say unto you, my servant Joseph, that whatsoever you give on earth, and to whomsoever you ^agive any one on earth, by my word and according to my law, it shall be visited with blessings and not cursings, and with my power, saith the Lord, and shall be without condemnation on earth and in heaven.

  49 For I am the Lord thy God, and will be ^awith thee even unto the ^bend of the world, and through all eternity; for verily I ^cseal upon you your ^dexaltation, and prepare a throne for you in the kingdom of my Father, with Abraham your ^efather.

  50 Behold, I have seen your ^asacrifices, and will forgive all your sins; I have seen your ^bsacrifices in obedience to that which I have told you. Go, therefore, and I make a way for your escape, as I ^caccepted the offering of Abraham of his son Isaac.

  51 Verily, I say unto you: A commandment I give unto mine handmaid, Emma Smith, your wife, whom I have given unto you, that she stay herself and partake not of that which I commanded you to offer unto her; for I did it, saith the Lord, to ^aprove you all, as I did Abraham, and that I might require an offering at your hand, by covenant and sacrifice.

  52 And let mine handmaid, Emma Smith, ^areceive all those that have been given unto my servant Joseph, and who are virtuous and pure before me; and those who are not pure, and have said they were pure, shall be destroyed, saith the Lord God.

  53 For I am the Lord thy God, and ye shall obey my voice; and I give unto my servant Joseph that he shall be made ruler over many things; for he hath been ^afaithful over a few things, and from henceforth I will strengthen him.

  54 And I command mine handmaid, Emma Smith, to abide and ^acleave unto my servant Joseph, and to none else. But if she will not abide this commandment she shall be ^bdestroyed, saith the Lord; for I am the Lord thy God, and will destroy her if she abide not in my law.

  55 But if she will not abide this commandment, then shall my servant Joseph do all things for her, even as he hath said; and I will bless him and multiply him and give unto him an ^ahundredfold in this world, of fathers and mothers, brothers and sisters, houses and lands, wives and children, and crowns of ^beternal lives in the eternal worlds.

  56 And again, verily I say, let mine handmaid ^aforgive my servant Joseph his trespasses; and then shall she be forgiven her trespasses, wherein she has trespassed against me; and I, the Lord thy God, will bless her, and multiply her, and make her heart to ^brejoice.

  57 And again, I say, let not my servant Joseph put his property out of his hands, lest an enemy come and destroy him; for ^aSatan ^bseeketh to destroy; for I am the Lord thy God, and he is my servant; and behold, and lo, I am with him, as I was with Abraham, thy father, even unto his ^cexaltation and glory.

  58 Now, as touching the law of the ^apriesthood, there are many things pertaining thereunto.

  59 Verily, if a man be called of my Father, as was ^aAaron, by mine own voice, and by the voice of him that ^bsent me, and I have endowed him with the ^ckeys of the power of this priesthood, if he do anything in my name, and according to my law and by my word, he will not commit ^dsin, and I will justify him.

  60 Let no one, therefore, set on my servant Joseph; for I will justify him; for he shall do the sacrifice which I require at his hands for his transgressions, saith the Lord your God.

  61 And again, as pertaining to the law of the priesthood—if any man espouse a virgin, and desire to espouse ^aanother, and the first give her consent, and if he espouse the second, and they are virgins, and have vowed to no other man, then is he justified; he cannot commit adultery for they are given unto him; for he cannot commit adultery with that that belongeth unto him and to no one else.

  62 And if he have ^aten virgins given unto him by this law, he cannot commit adultery, for they belong to him, and they are given unto him; therefore is he justified.

  63 But if one or either of the ten virgins, after she is espoused, shall be with another man, she has committed adultery, and shall be destroyed; for they are given unto him to ^amultiply and replenish the earth, according to my commandment, and to fulfil the promise which was given by my Father before the foundation of the world, and for their exaltation in the eternal worlds, that they may bear the souls of men; for herein is the work of my Father continued, that he may be ^bglorified.

  64 And again, verily, verily, I say unto you, if any man have a wife, who holds the keys of this power, and he teaches unto her the law of my priesthood, as pertaining to these things, then shall she believe and administer unto him, or she shall be destroyed, saith the Lord your God; for I will destroy her; for I will magnify my name upon all those who receive and abide in my law.

  65 Therefore, it shall be lawful in me, if she receive not this law, for him to receive all things whatsoever I, the Lord his God, will give unto him, because she did not believe and administer unto him according to my word; and she then becomes the transgressor; and he is exempt from the law of Sarah, who administered unto Abraham according to the law when I commanded Abraham to take ^aHagar to wife.

  66 And now, as pertaining to this law, verily, verily, I say unto you, I will reveal more unto you, hereafter; therefore, let this suffice for the present. Behold, I am Alpha and Omega. Amen.

 

 

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[Elsie]

I stole most of it from somewhere; I merely toned down the wording for sensitive folks...

[Celtman]

You have classical definitions of denominations, divisions of various sects and ecclesias all confused.

Uhh — no.

I am aware of the popular conceptions of denomination.  However, the popular (which some might regard as classical) concepts are derived from the misinterpretations of the Church of Rome.

The term "catholic" means "universal."  The Church of Rome, since its founding in the eleventh century, has never been the universal church, and its appropriation of the term "Catholic" is arrogant and undeserved.

The term "protestant" can somewhat reasonably be applied to those groups which broke from the Church of Rome during the Reformation period.  This would include the Lutheran, Presbyterian, and Anglican groups. 

However, it is not reasonable to lump groups which existed before the reformation into the "protestant" category.  Baptists have existed since Apostolic tomes, and are not protestants (although many unwisely accept the term, all do not.)  This would also apply to Mennonite and Brethren groups, which are Baptist in all but name.

It is also not reasonable to apply the term to groups which formed long after the Reformation, without any direct connection.  This would include Pentecostal and Campbellite bodies.

By no stretch is it reasonable to categorize faux Christian groups such as Mormons or Unitarians as Protestant.

[greyfoxx39]

Have to give these paid shills their due.

Oh, I wouldn't necessarily call Glenn a "shill"..even though he makes his living "shilling" for various program sponsors.

I just think he shouldn't shill for the mormon church, that's all.

[Domandred]

“Morg” is a derogatory term for Mormons that apparently gets a pass here at FR. I’ve seen it many times.

[Drumbo]

Amen Helen. God speed and be blessed on 8/28 - I’m more determined than ever to be there and stand with you.

So far, I’ve read a hit piece on a blog lifted directly from talking points and out-of-context quotes from MediaMatters (George Soros - check it yourself), heard non-Mormons define Mormonism, heard what Glenn Beck says from people who admit they don’t listen to him, and been told what I doubt despite my own clearly stated comments about facts that are easily available and so widely accepted that most seminaries use the term ‘Synoptic Gospels’. Because I point out that the differences exist, I’m a doubter of the Apostles, the Gospels and I suppose God the Father and Jesus the Christ.

I don’t doubt God, just mankind. I strive to judge neither, but I’m not perfect.

StuLeo (Welcome to Free Republic) posted a version of the Nicene Creed, penned by men (and changed over time although it is “indisputable”). Most will agree (or maybe not) that its roots are Catholic, (with apologies to Celtman who points out there are no Catholics). It says in part, “...he was crucified under Pontius Pilate, he suffered death and was buried, and rose again on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures,” (why “he” isn’t capitalized has always nagged me, but) I believe that statement and would only add ‘suffered death to deliver us from sin’, but why pick nits?

However, the last Catholic Easter services I attended (and most “Protestant” ones as well), commemorate the Crucifixion on “Black Friday” aka “Good Friday” (in the afternoon “in accordance with the Scriptures”) and celebrate the resurrection on “Easter Sunday” (in the morning “in accordance with the Scriptures”). I’ve read many theories as to how the indisputable time period from Friday afternoon to an empty tomb Sunday morning line up with, “rose again on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures”. In Genesis 1:5 we find the definition of a day: “And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.” Notice that evening comes first and Hebrews began the Sabboth on Friday evening in Jesus time. Cramming three evenings and mornings between Friday afternoon and Sunday morning is a neat trick, but I suppose its indisputable since someone says so.

I said before that I question the spirits, that they are of God. Glenn quotes Jefferson, “Question with boldness, even the existence of God ...” (I’m surprised this hasn’t been hammered yet - he says it often enough). Admittedly, it’s another red herring but, I’ve often posed the 3 day enigma to clerics, ministers and scholars (and ducked as they proclaim me a heretic or) they say, “simple: Friday, Saturday; Sunday”.

Some folks are good with that “simple” explaination, I don’t persecute them for it. I just don’t buy it, but that doesn’t mean I haven’t accepted Christ as my Lord & Saviour. Men are imperfect, flawed and sometimes downright goofy. ‘nuff said, Mama warned me about talking religion in public - it’s almost quarter til Beck and I’m there.

[BlueMoose]

http://www.youtube.com/user/RestoringHonorRally#p/a/u/2/OTvuxMTY55g

[StuLeo]

The Nicene Creed(based on the earlier Apostle’s creed) was written in 325 AD, slightly expanded in 381 A.D., and it is THE definition of Christianity. It accurately describes the concept of the Trinity- Father, Son, Holy Spirit as the 3 persons of a singular God. If you reject this creed then you are rejecting the Christian God and worshiping something else and cannot accurately be called a Christian. It is accepted as definitive by All Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, Assyrians, and Protestants.

This is not to say the the Nicene Creed is the COMPLETE beliefs of Christianity, I don’t think anyone would argue that. But it is the very basic tenets that one must believe in order to be properly called a Christian.

Your nitpicking over the 3rd day is just that. The term “day” does not have to refer an entire 24 hour period any more than saying “I went to the pool today” needs to mean I spent 24 hours at the pool. Christ was killed on Friday afternoon, remained dead the rest of Friday, was dead all day Saturday in recognition of the Sabbath, and was dead on Sunday up until the point of his resurrection.

[Reno232]

Although I appreciate & respect your views on the Nicene Creed, Things may not always be as cut & dry as you think. Feel free to visit my FR homepage at http://www.freerepublic.com/~reno232/ for another view.