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Magazine: Growing Trend--Evangelicals ‘Crossing the Tiber’ to Catholicism
TheSacredPage.com ^ | August 6, 2010 | Michael Barber

Posted on 08/07/2010 3:38:50 PM PDT by Salvation

Friday, August 06, 2010

Magazine: Growing Trend--Evangelicals ‘Crossing the Tiber’ to Catholicism

The magazine Religion Dispatches has a new piece up by Jonathan Fitzgerald, entitled, "Evangelicals ‘Crossing the Tiber’ to Catholicism: Under the radar of most observers a trend is emerging of evangelicals converting to Catholicism."


As he points out, there are an increasing number Evangelicals coming into the Catholic Church. In fact, while my wife and I were at Fuller we witnessed this phenomenon firsthand. Indeed, students would come up and ask us if they could follow us to daily Mass (which was celebrated at a Catholic Church down the street). I went to Mass with many fellow students who had never experienced a Eucharistic liturgy. . . and, for many of them, once they started attending they couldn't stop.

Here's the story as Fitzgerald reports it:
In the fall of 1999, I was a freshman at Gordon College, an evangelical liberal arts school in Massachusetts. There, fifteen years earlier, a professor named Thomas Howard resigned from the English department when he felt his beliefs were no longer in line with the college’s statement of faith. Despite all those intervening years, during my time at Gordon the specter of Thomas Howard loomed large on campus. The story of his resignation captured my imagination; it came about, ultimately, because he converted to Roman Catholicism.

Though his reasons for converting were unclear and perhaps unimaginable to me at the time (they are actually well-documented in his book Evangelical is Not Enough which, back then, I had not yet read), his reasons seemed less important than the knowledge that it could happen. I had never heard of such a thing. . .

. . . [M]y parents never spoke ill of the Catholic Church; though the pastors and congregants of our non-denominational, charismatic church-that-met-in-a-warehouse, often did. Despite my firsthand experience with the Church, between the legend of my parents’ conversion (anything that happens in a child’s life before he is born is the stuff of legends) and the portrait of the Catholic Church as an oppressive institution that took all the fun out of being “saved,” I understood Catholicism as a religion that a person leaves when she becomes serious about her faith.

And yet, Thomas Howard is only the tip of the iceberg of a hastening trend of evangelicals converting to Catholicism. North Park University professor of religious studies Scot McKnight documented some of the reasons behind this trend in his important 2002 essay entitled “From Wheaton to Rome: Why Evangelicals become Roman Catholic.” The essay was originally published in the Journal of the Evangelical Theological Society, and was later included in a collection of conversion stories he co-edited with Hauna Ondrey entitled Finding Faith, Losing Faith: Stories of Conversion and Apostasy.

Thomas Howard comes in at number five on McKnight’s list of significant conversions, behind former Presbyterian pastor and author of Rome Sweet Home, Scott Hahn, and Marcus Grodi founder of The Coming Home Network International, an organization that provides “fellowship, encouragement and support for Protestant pastors and laymen who are somewhere along the journey or have already been received into the Catholic Church,” according to their Web site. Other featured converts include singer-songwriter John Michael Talbot and Patrick Madrid, editor of the Surprised by Truth books, which showcase conversion stories.

Would Saint Augustine Go to a Southern Baptist Church in Houston?

McKnight first identified these converts eight years ago, and the trend has continued to grow in the intervening years. It shows up in a variety of places, in the musings of the late Michael Spencer (the “Internet Monk”) about his wife’s conversion and his decision not to follow, as well as at the Evangelical Theological Society where the former President and Baylor University professor Francis J. Beckwith made a well-documented “return to Rome.” Additionally, the conversion trend is once again picking up steam as the Millennial generation, the first to be born and raised in the contemporary brand of evangelicalism, comes of age. Though perhaps an unlikely setting, The King’s College, an evangelical Christian college in New York City, provides an excellent case study for the way this phenomenon is manifesting itself among young evangelicals.

The King’s College campus is comprised of two floors in the Empire State Building and some office space in a neighboring building on Fifth Avenue. The approximately 300 students who attend King’s are thoughtful, considerate and serious. They are also intellectually curious. This combination of traits, it turns out, makes the college a ripe breeding ground for interest in Roman Catholicism. Among the traits of the Catholic Church that attract TKC students—and indeed many young evangelicals at large—are its history, emphasis on liturgy, and tradition of intellectualism.

Lucas Croslow was one such student to whom these and other attributes of Catholicism appealed. This past spring, graduating from The King’s College was not the only major change in Croslow’s life, he was also confirmed into the Catholic Church.

Croslow’s interest in Catholicism began over six years ago when he was a sophomore in high school. At the time, Croslow’s Midwestern evangelical church experienced a crisis that is all too common among evangelical churches: what he describes as “a crisis of spiritual authority.” As a result of experiencing disappointment in his pastor, Croslow began to question everything he had learned from him. This questioning led him to study the historical origins of scripture and then of the Christian church itself. Eventually he concluded that Catholicism in its current form is the closest iteration of the early church fathers’ intentions. He asks, “If Saint Augustine showed up today, could we seriously think that he’d attend a Southern Baptist church in Houston?” The answer, to Croslow, is a resounding “No.”
 
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You can read the rest here.



TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; History; Theology
KEYWORDS: catholic; catholiclist; converts; evangelical; freformed
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To: wmfights; presently no screen name

Who would have thought that quoting from the Catechism of the Catholic church would qualify as lies, misrepresentations, distortions, rhetorical yelling and screaming, with gratuitous anti-Catholic slurs mixed in?

Non-Catholics are constantly being told that we don’t really know what the RCC teaches, and yet when we post their own teachings from vatican.va, their official source for approved teachings of the Catholic church from the Vatican itself, it’s met with such derision?


941 posted on 08/09/2010 7:46:05 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Deo volente; wmfights

It isn’t too late.


942 posted on 08/09/2010 7:46:16 PM PDT by smvoice (smvoice- formally known as small voice in the wilderness. Easier on the typing!)
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To: roamer_1; Dr. Eckleburg

INDEED.

Dr E and I—WELLL our backbones have been created out of a very mysteriously resilient combo of cast iron, silicone, diamond and pure grit.

PRAISE THE LORD!


943 posted on 08/09/2010 7:46:22 PM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: Quix
Incoherent post, a jumble of words.

Use some grammar and syntax, express some thoughts in sentence form, and then we'll know what you're talking about. Perhaps.

944 posted on 08/09/2010 7:47:30 PM PDT by Deo volente (God willing, America will survive this Obamination.)
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To: Deo volente; narses; bronx2
And all this time I've been trusting the Church, guided infallibly by the Holy Spirit as promised by Jesus Christ. I should have just popped open my Bible and saved myself a lot of trouble.

You would have saved yourself a lot of trouble. Instead of trusting your immortal soul to a group of men you should seek what you should do in Scripture.

945 posted on 08/09/2010 7:49:21 PM PDT by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: roamer_1; Alamo-Girl; Amityschild; AngieGal; AnimalLover; Ann de IL; aragorn; auggy; autumnraine; ..

Been asked to query the group . . .

one of our members received a prophetic insight from somone they’re in touch with currently asserting that Iran will attack Southern California within a few to several weeks.

Anyone else heard anything of the kind?


946 posted on 08/09/2010 7:50:53 PM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: metmom; wmfights; presently no screen name
Because we are not supposed to meddle in their church business. Unless they tell us what it says, we cannot know. I say, tell us what you believe and teach and we won't have to search for ourselves. Although I must admit, it's like a Scooby doo mystery, you may have to dig deep and through lots of stuff, but you'll find it eventually..and the mystery will be solved.

"And if it weren't for those pesky Protestants, we woulda gotten away with it, too!"

947 posted on 08/09/2010 7:52:24 PM PDT by smvoice (smvoice- formally known as small voice in the wilderness. Easier on the typing!)
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To: Quix

I hope not......


948 posted on 08/09/2010 7:56:42 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Deo volente

NOPE.


949 posted on 08/09/2010 7:57:32 PM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: metmom; presently no screen name
Who would have thought that quoting from the Catechism of the Catholic church would qualify as lies, misrepresentations, distortions, rhetorical yelling and screaming, with gratuitous anti-Catholic slurs mixed in?

It can be eye opening.

Non-Catholics are constantly being told that we don’t really know what the RCC teaches, and yet when we post their own teachings from vatican.va, their official source for approved teachings of the Catholic church from the Vatican itself, it’s met with such derision?

Because we show how most of it is wrong according to Scripture and when we are in agreement it's because it's Scriptural. The good news is there are RC's that see this and begin searching Scripture for themselves. The fanatical RC's hate us because of this.

950 posted on 08/09/2010 7:57:46 PM PDT by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: metmom; presently no screen name; Natural Law; bronx2; narses
Sorry, metmom, you don't even get the point. His post misrepresented what I said to him in #862. I said Peter was the rock, and he turned around and claimed I said Peter was the head. I said no such thing in my post #862.

Here's the lie:
“Deo volente was given Matt 16 and ....

Col 1:18. “He is also head of the body, the church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn of the dead; so that He Himself might come to have first place in everything.”.

And he insisted it's Peter. And, now, we find out, thanks to you, it's in his own catechism. What kind of representative of the RCC is that?”

BIG, FAT LIE! I said Peter was the rock in #862, and he turned right around and claimed I said Peter was the head.

This is the last time I'm going to address this. You folks need to stop the “tag team” of lies, misrepresentations, and distortions intended to confuse and distract.

951 posted on 08/09/2010 7:58:23 PM PDT by Deo volente (God willing, America will survive this Obamination.)
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To: roamer_1
YOU'RE QUITE WELCOME.

THERE IS A FOUNTAIN FILLED WITH BLOOD
DAVID PHELPS & GAITHERS

952 posted on 08/09/2010 7:59:27 PM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: smvoice; narses; bronx2; Natural Law; Cronos; don-o
Unless they tell us what it says, we cannot know. I say, tell us what you believe and teach and we won't have to search for ourselves.

Several non-Catholic posters have stated explicitly here that under no circumstances will they look at a Catholic link or source.


953 posted on 08/09/2010 8:02:51 PM PDT by Deo volente (God willing, America will survive this Obamination.)
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To: wmfights
My knowledge of Sacred Scripture was formed at an early age and refined by dealing with ones like you bereft of a true knowledge of the Lord. It is not merely the knowledge of scripture which will obtain one entrance to salvation but as James 2 14:26 states one must have faith infused with the saving graces and imbued by the Spirit. From reading your simple posts you would be well advised to obtain some assistance in your study of scripture since God is one and His message is one not 30000 disparate messages. That is the curse of those who have strayed from the bride of Christ. Perhaps you are doing all that you can do and God will not hold you to a higher standard’

The pride which you exhibit in your messages if not evident to you will not be judged as same by a merciful Jesus. I trust that you are truly seeking a personal relationship with Jesus and so all will be well for you. However, as Jesus warned the women caught in adultery to “Avoid this sin” you must try to avoid the sin of pride and deliberate distortion, mendacity, duplicity and act in a Christian like fashion loving your neighbor. Reading the parable of the Good Samaritan might be well to do . The sin of pride reeks from your every post but notwithstanding these aforementioned sins remember Jesus came to save the sinner and so you qualify as one of His main targets. God bless.

954 posted on 08/09/2010 8:03:51 PM PDT by bronx2 (while Jesus is the Alpha /Omega He has given us rituals which you reject to obtain the graces as to)
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To: Natural Law; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Captain Beyond; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; ...

Proddys are often
tempted to think that way
about the plentiful
Papist bigots hereon.
Somehow we manage to soldier on anyway.
PRAISE GOD FOR THAT!

955 posted on 08/09/2010 8:04:37 PM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: TheStickman

It's always
soooooooooo
cute
when RC's
post
masses of unreadable text!

956 posted on 08/09/2010 8:07:06 PM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: Deo volente

I know of none. We welcome your posts of doctrine and catechism. I think it’s gotten to the point where either you post them, or we will post them for you. It’s that important that we see what your church teaches and believes. Many RC’s may be outraged that we will post your doctrines, but i think it comes from the fact that you all trust those in authority to tell you what your church believes, and you’re outraged that we don’t have the same trust in that authority.


957 posted on 08/09/2010 8:08:32 PM PDT by smvoice (smvoice- formally known as small voice in the wilderness. Easier on the typing!)
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To: wmfights
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

the 425 is page number???

Do you have a ref in the book I have of the Catechism?

OH HOLY NIGHT
DAVID PHELPS & GAITHERS

958 posted on 08/09/2010 8:10:17 PM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: metmom; narses; bronx2
Once again, you've taken a snippet from a Catholic source and removed it from its context by failing to include another, RELEVANT section from the same source.

A total misrepresentation designed to confuse, distract, and obfuscate the truth.

from the Catechism:
552 Simon Peter holds the first place in the college of the Twelve; Jesus entrusted a unique mission to him. Through a revelation from the Father, Peter had confessed: "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God." Our Lord then declared to him: "You are Peter, and on this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of Hades will not prevail against it." Christ, the living Stone, thus assures his Church, built on Peter, of victory over the powers of death. Because of the faith he confessed Peter will remain the unshakable rock of the Church. His mission will be to keep this faith from every lapse and to strengthen his brothers in it.[6]
959 posted on 08/09/2010 8:11:58 PM PDT by Deo volente (God willing, America will survive this Obamination.)
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To: RnMomof7

THANKS THANKS.

Another good one for them to sharpen their denials on!

What then saith Christ? “Thou art Simon, the son of Jonas; thou shalt be called Cephas.” “Thus since thou hast proclaimed my Father, I too name him that begat thee;” all but saying, “As thou art son of Jonas, even so am I of my Father.” Else it were superfluous to say, “Thou art Son of Jonas;” but since he had said, “Son of God,” to point out that He is so Son of God, as the other son of Jonas, of the same substance with Him that begat Him, therefore He added this, “And I say unto thee, Thou art Peter, and upon this rock will I build my Church;” that is, on the faith of his confession. John Chrysostom, Homilies on the Gospel of Matthew LIV.3

895 posted on Monday, August 09, 2010 6:07:13 PM by RnMomof7


960 posted on 08/09/2010 8:12:57 PM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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