Magazine: Growing Trend--Evangelicals ‘Crossing the Tiber’ to Catholicism

TheSacredPage.com ^ | August 6, 2010 | Michael Barber

[Cronos]

Give it up, cronos - you are in this alone. Enjoy your deception

oh, no, Christ's sacrifice was not a deception. Christ came for us and that is what a billion+ members of orthodoxy now believe in and follow and what we have followed since the time of Christ

When you want to experience the fullness of Christ and to experience a personal relationship with Christ, come to mass and experience Christ during the Eucharist. You can still reject the fire-worshippers and come to the fullness of Christ in His One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church

[Cronos]

Quix: There you have it Ladies and Gentlemen, boys and girls, dogs and cats . . .

please pray as led of The Lord, including, if so, in tongues.

do you expect the dogs to go Meow and cats to go woof, woof? And, seriously, have dogs and cats along with the snakehandling? A veritable menagerie

[Cronos]

Yep. God is the only Father, Jesus is the only Master and everyone else is brethren

Say, don't you believe that Jesus is God?

[Cronos]

So, When you call some a PhD or Doctor in Theology, are you incorrect? Doctor (gen.: doctoris) means teacher in Latin and is an agent noun derived from the verb docere (’teach’).

[Cronos]

And, why exactly do you limit yourself to just English? Don't you realise that in the non-English speaking world they use terms like Ksiąz for priest? And that does not translate as father.

[Cronos]

Of course, we’ll have dialogue with the enemies who persecute Christians in Iraq etc, so that we can protect these. When the loony people who beleive in Sister Aimee grab a country and persecute Christians there, we’ll have a dialogue with them too.

[roamer_1]

Here in Poland, the Poles call their priest "Ksiąz" which does not translate as father in any way.

Good. It is offense enough that they have priests.

And, when you call someone Teacher -- are you incorrect? When you call some a PhD or Doctor in Theology, are you incorrect? Doctor (gen.: doctoris) means teacher in Latin and is an agent noun derived from the verb docere ('teach').

Not when it is used in the common sense of the word - Anymore than if one calls his Dad "father".

When is is imbued with reverence, when the title is an honorific one, rather than a job description, as it were... Then it is incorrect.

Christ set forth His Church with servants in place of glorified, set-apart priests and teachers. There is no hierarchy among believers... And what hierarchy is there is a matter of service, not authority.

In that service IS the authority.

You know, the handful of people I know to be a true, spirit-filled servants of God are self-deprecating in the face of honors being bestowed upon them.

And they are also the ones who speak with the most authority. It exudes from them as real power. Yet these are always humble and living quietly - with no pomp or circumstance.

They would be dismayed and embarrassed by any such honors. Every one of them would send such things on to the Father, or to Christ, where such things belong.

[presently no screen name]

They don’t talk to ‘fringe evangelical’ groups because they HAVE NOTHING to offer. And they are so proned in giving out ‘titles’.

[John Leland 1789]

It is a special relationship, indeed!

My wife and I were saved by God's grace the same evening. We were then 3,000 miles from Dad & Mom. We called them.

When I was discharged, we took our own litte ones to Dad and Mom's. It was the first my parents got to meet my wife.

What a special dad I had then! I remember him, as a young believer in his late 40s staying up late drinking in the Bible and making voluminous notes for his own Sunday School class.

He's 82 now and still teaches the largest Sunday school class in his church. He and Mom go to the Senior centers, and many other places where they are invited and preach the Gospel.

Dad now has a score of children and grandchildren saved and serving Christ on foreign mission fields

so to these things, an RC asks me:

So, do you teach Spirit-slaying,” spiritual warfare/demon-deliverance, tongues-speaking, signs & wonders evangelism, extra-revelatory prophecy?

Got any idea what his point is? Why doesn't he ask, "Do you preach Christ and Him crucified?"

[roamer_1]

They call me (I guess they call us) "Clueless."

YEP. I find myself in good company. ; )

But at age 54 and after 33 years directly in the labors, I have yet to have the first RC approach me with interest in my soul.

Yep again. It ain't their gig. Dunno why. It is a thing most important to Protestants/Evangelicals/Fundamentalists... across the board.

My own dad then witnessed to me of saving grace in Jesus Christ. I was saved about 18 months later.

Praise God! Ain't it great the way the Spirit works?

I have been having trouble praising God here lately... It is really a dumb thing, as he has healed me greatly... no question of His Hand... But my prayers have been rather business-like, and I haven't had the closeness in Spirit that I am normally used to...

I confessed it to Him night before last... Told Him I knew it was a problem, and I asked Him to give me some help in that regard.

My sister called me the next morning, woke me up... and I couldn't shut her up... She was FULL of the Praise of the Lord... And the elders stopped by unannounced, speaking to me about Praising God... And later that night, I mis-clicked a link, which brought me to a YouTube version of a full choir singing Handel's Messiah (the Hallelujah Chorus)... And it keeps on going, and going...

Yahweh is SO good to me.

One wonders how it is for those that don't see Him working in their lives. I would not trade that intimacy for all the cathedrals in the world.

[presently no screen name]

Great testimony - you and your wife saved together. Same in our household.

I remember him, as a young believer in his late 40s staying up late drinking in the Bible and making voluminous notes for his own Sunday School class.

A young believer on FIRE for THE LORD - and already teaching Sunday School. Praise God.

He's 82 now and still teaches the largest Sunday school class in his church. He and Mom go to the Senior centers, and many other places where they are invited and preach the Gospel.

Largest? I'd say everyone wants to be in his class. You make me want to meet your Mom and Dad!

Dad now has a score of children and grandchildren saved and serving Christ on foreign mission fields

YOU are so blessed! Your Mom and Dad found and are living their destiny. Not many do.

so to these things, an RC asks me:

It goes in the circular file. If they wanted Truth, they would have it by now.

Thanks for sharing - I enjoyed reading every bit of it. You truly have a blessed blessed family and are a blessing to others.

[roamer_1]

Experience a personal relationship with Him in the Eucharist.

Thanks... but I don't need crackers to find Christ.

Hear the Word of God, the entire word

Thanks. I have that where I am now... At a Presbyterian OPC - The same one you castigated earlier... And I read the Word always.

The Spirit is visibly working in my life, and every now and then, He fills me up to bursting...

So thanks, but no thanks. No pagan syncretism needed here. Move along...

[presently no screen name]

because of this it is imperative that Evangelicals bear witness of the true gospel to Roman Catholics and attempt to persuade them to stop depending on anything other than the finished work of Christ for salvation. Discipleship of those who respond to the gospel will involve their integration into a Bible believing Evangelical church, which entails their exit from the Roman Catholic Church. Anything less would be irresponsible.

That amount sums it up! Great article, Quix. Thanks.

[presently no screen name]

but no thanks.

Exactly! Peddlers of deception are a dime a dozen - they can't give it away for lack of interest.

[Natural Law]

"Well, the Pope did say his flock and Islam serve the same God."

So just how many Gods do you believe there are?

"And, then add, we read THE BOOK!"

How many Abrahamic Books do you believe there are?

[Cvengr]

The more I study the RCC, the more I witness a grouping of people devoted to “anything but Christ” in their thinking, tradition, and object of devotion.

[Al Hitan]

While louvar technically can mean “to praise” or “to honor”

Not only can it mean to praise or to honor, that's what it does mean.

it usually carries a connotation of worship

Now, the not so good doctor is projecting.

[verga]

Do you honestly beleive that someone actually cared enough to read a post this long.

[verga]

Nope. Just the power of the cleansing Blood of Jesus, the Holy Spirit, and the Good Book... That's all that is necessary.

You left out the empty cross for an empty religion. Isn't taht all the prots really do have?

[roamer_1]

You left out the empty cross for an empty religion. Isn't taht all the prots really do have?

Oh, my. Perhaps you haven't heard:

HE IS RISEN! Hallelujah!