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Magazine: Growing Trend--Evangelicals ‘Crossing the Tiber’ to Catholicism
TheSacredPage.com ^ | August 6, 2010 | Michael Barber

Posted on 08/07/2010 3:38:50 PM PDT by Salvation

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To: Cronos

Read post 260 again and are you going to admit to people that you plagarized that post 260 from Sojourners magazine?

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:_p8pqfTb_VIJ:www.sojo.net/index.cfm%3Faction%3Dmagazine.article%26issue%3Dsoj0606%26article%3D060610+The+fallout+from+these+changes+was+evident+eight+years+later,+when+Ronald+Reagan+handily+won+the+Catholic+vote.+During+both+terms+of+the+Reagan+presidency,+there+was+much+hand-wringing+about+the+%E2%80%9CReagan+Catholics%E2%80%9D+and+why+they+had+been+won+over+by+the+Republican+Party.&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us


281 posted on 08/08/2010 2:20:08 AM PDT by ansel12 (Mitt: "I was an independent during the time of Reagan-Bush. I'm not trying to return to Reagan-Bush")
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To: ansel12
Yes. The numbers are from an online magazine.

That is a fact that 52% of Catholics voting for George W Bush in 2004. You made a big deal about the same number voting otherwise.

Secondly, as a religious minority that was the target of a political movement (the know-nothings), Catholics naturally in the 1800s voted for the party that said it was against that (note: I said "said", not "was").

This was true and held true right through to FDR.

The numbers for FDR dropped but I would rate that as distorted due to anti-incumbency coupled with a war.

Of critical importance is that Catholics voted for Republicans who had Catholic social issues at heart like Eisenhower and George W Bush.

George W Bush made significant inroads among Catholic voters because he used language—and chosen issues—that appeal to Catholics. “Compassionate conservative,” after all, is a term that could describe many Catholics, who are conservative on social issues yet favor government programs for the poor.

Why did 48% not vote Democrat at the last election? I think they were the church-going ones and were the ones who actually THOUGHT and didn't get caught up in the entire "CHANGE" chants.

The thing is that in most elections there are multiple variables -- as a good Catholic, I cannot vote for anyone who supports abortion, but then that limits the pool and I may have to choose someone who supports other things that I find intolerable -- this is more the case in Europe than America, I agree, but I'm just giving an example.

Secondly, I would like to see the numbers of below 30 and above 30s who voted for Ohbummer and the number of those who attended service/mass at least once a week versus those who didn't

I feel sure that the majority of those who went for a Protestant service or a Catholic/Orthodox mass at least once a week did NOT vote for ohbummer. I also feel sure (and I think I read it somewhere after the Pres election) that the majority of the +30 (or was it +40) year olds did NOT vote for Ohbummer.
282 posted on 08/08/2010 2:31:26 AM PDT by Cronos (Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. "Allah": Satan's current status)
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To: metmom; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Captain Beyond; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; GiovannaNicoletta; ..

Great questions and I’ll be waiting to see the answers, albeit not with bated breath.

My understanding is Catholicism teaches that once a Catholic, always a Catholic. It’s irrelevant what you currant beliefs or practices are or where you go to church.

Apparently then, the Catholic church is always adding to it’s numbers and never removing names, except in the case of death.

Now, some Catholics claim that those who vote liberal aren’t really Catholics since they have denied themselves or ex-communicated themselves. What appears to be the case, however, is that the Catholics and the RCC , who are more than willing to distance themselves from those who claim Catholicism but vote liberal in politics, are more than willing to count them as members for their membership roles and bragging rights about being the biggest church or religion in the world, with one billion strong and counting.

It all depends on what you’re trying to prove whether you count someone as Catholic. If it makes the church look bad by claiming them as members, then they aren’t really Catholics. If it makes the church look good by claiming huge numbers of adherents, once a Catholic, always a Catholic. Count ‘em based on being baptized or by conversion because of marriage, regardless of the sincerity of heart or follow through, or the integrity of the reason for joining.


INDEED.

MORE OF THE VATICAN DOUBLE STANDARD DANCE.

MORE OF THE ALICE IN WONDERLAND DUPLICITY DANCE.

MORE VATICAN HYPOCRISY.


283 posted on 08/08/2010 2:50:03 AM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: ak267

284 posted on 08/08/2010 2:51:40 AM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: metmom

Finding faithful and active Catholics who vote conservative is the exception, not the rule. I don’t really care what a few Catholics say strong Catholics SHOULD vote like because I know what most of the DO vote like. I’ve seen it. Being a strong Catholic is no guarantee of voting conservative. On the contrary, if someone tells me they’re Catholic and politics comes up, their political position never surprises me. It’s liberal. Count on it.


In my experience, exceptions to that are in the minority.

Thankfully, in this conservative County, more are conservative than in my average experience elsewhere. Still . . . there are plenty of liberal very active, practicing RC’s here, too. Thankfully, the chairwoman of the GOP women’s group is an RC. She’s a good Christian woman—I wouldn’t call her the most passionate practicing RC, however.


285 posted on 08/08/2010 2:56:20 AM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: Cronos

286 posted on 08/08/2010 2:59:10 AM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: metmom

There isn’t a thing that Catholics can accuse non-Catholic of that they don’t engage in themselves to a greater or equal degree.


THAT’S been one of the MOST shocking things about RC’s year after year on FR.


287 posted on 08/08/2010 3:00:11 AM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: ak267

288 posted on 08/08/2010 3:00:37 AM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: Cronos
You plagiarized post 260 from a magazine article and keep trying to pass it off as your own words, you even keep persisting in posting big chunks of it without quotes since I outed you.

Catholics voted for Gore in 2000, just like they voted for Clinton in 92 and 96, in 2004 when Hispanic Protestants were voting for Bush by 56%, Catholics did vote for Bush by 52%, they then voted for Obama by 54% in the next election.

Nothing changed about the Catholic vote related to FDR, either in their presidential vote or their Congressional voting, they continued voting Democrat, Gallup says they even went Democrat in 1956. see post 269. They eventually voted Republican in 1972 and then back to democrat in 1976.

With the recent flood of Mexican Catholics coming into America, church going, white Catholics are becoming more Republican. Not right wing, but more Republican.

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289 posted on 08/08/2010 3:14:18 AM PDT by ansel12 (Mitt: "I was an independent during the time of Reagan-Bush. I'm not trying to return to Reagan-Bush")
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To: Cronos; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Captain Beyond; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; GiovannaNicoletta; ..
This desire for transcendence usually takes four forms:
(1) a desire for certainty;
(2) a desire for history;
(3) a desire for unity; and
(4) a desire for authority.

I've commented on the youthful yearning for stability, order, structure in a post above.

These items are similar. And, as many converts to Mormonism and other cultish groups manifest--comprise a serious vulnerability that is well exploited by the Vatican.

1. CERTAINTY: Who has not felt the existential hurricanes in our era with the shredding of so many Biblical values in the market place and body politic?

2. It would be surprising indeed if a group that CLAIMED, with a shred of a convincing argument, did not have an attraction for many existentially adrift and uneasy souls. Certainty is a priceless comodity in a furiously UNCERTAIN world and era. It matters relatively little that the proffered Vatican "CERTAINTY" is largely sham and largely not even based on the CERTAINTY OF SCRIPTURE.

3. HISTORY too holds a similar attraction. Yet, here, the uninformed is most seduced by false testimony; rubbery history and disingenuous hogwash from the Vatican. However, fantasies are comforting for all of us. Sadly, this one can be spiritually deadly for millions.

4. PRETENDING TO BE IN EXISTENCE 300-400 YEARS BEFORE THE FACTS IS A PRETTY HUGE SCAM. However, the uninformed and undiscerning existentially desperate awash in a sea of chaotic modernity are ripe for the picking. Proffered tomes are easily convincing because the search for historical anchoring vs anchoring in the living Word of God is so shallow while the social cultural distress is so increasingly extreme.

5. The desire for UNITY IS ONE OF THE MOST SAD, PATHETIC AND ABSURDLY PARADOXICAL ITEMS ON THE LIST! The pretend unity under the Vatican umbrella is a HUGE SCAM, SHAM, FARCE. One can pretend and fantasize--but only by moving in, lock stock and barrel into Alice's rabbit hole.

6. Even the desire for AUTHORITY is a sadly grossly misplaced attraction and trust.

7. We've seen repeatedly how grandly the VATICAN AUTHORITY has protected millions of infants from the murderous actions of countless politicians the Pope has gone out of his way to meet with and prance about with in great pomp and circumstance . . . and certainly this vaunted and grand authority has rarely even withheld Communion from such murderous politicians.

8. "AUTHORITY?" RIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT . . . About as much Biblical and redemptive authority as last year's slug slime. The HOLY SPIRIT'S anointing--IF IT EVER RESIDED IN ANY HALLS OF THE VATICAN AT ALL--LEFT THE BUILDING LONG AGO.

9. Like all the other items on the list, PAPAL, MAGICSTERICAL AUTHORITY is a farce in terms of the BIBLICAL AND HISTORICAL reality. However, the Vatican CERTAINLY exhibits GREAT PRODUCTIONS OF PRANCING PONTIFICAL POMP AND CIRCUMSTANCE AUTHORITY just like the religious leaders in Jerusalem 2000 years ago who were so thankful they were not like the publicans, [Proddys] et al OVER !THERE!

10. In an insane culture awash in satanic chaos and farce . . . even a SEEMINGLY SLIGHTLY LESS FARCical structure and set of fantasies can be attractive to the existentially weary. The unsuspecting and shallow existentially adrift are even more vulnerable.

11. May God have mercy on such deluded souls now anchoring to a log floating in the hurricane of silly satanic seductions pouring out of and residing in ALICE'S WONDERLAND SCHOOL OF THEOLOGY AND REALITY MANGLING. There may be added temporary comforts afforded all the structure, ritual and sham. However, when God's realities become starkly more evident as the Vatican slips ever deeper into the satanic globalist constructions on 'reality,' such comforts will likely become thing indeed, if not out-right justifiably terrifying.

290 posted on 08/08/2010 3:31:50 AM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: ansel12
Ah, so you DO agree that Catholics voted for Bush by 52% in 2004

Why exactly was that? Because Bush had an outreach to Catholics.

Why did 48% not vote Democrat at the last election? I think they were the church-going ones and were the ones who actually THOUGHT and didn't get caught up in the entire "CHANGE" chants.

What ARE the numbers of below 30 and above 30s who voted for Ohbummer and the number of those who attended service/mass at least once a week versus those who didn't

I feel sure that the majority of those who went for a Protestant service or a Catholic/Orthodox mass at least once a week did NOT vote for ohbummer. I also feel sure (and I think I read it somewhere after the Pres election) that the majority of the +30 (or was it +40) year olds did NOT vote for Ohbummer.
291 posted on 08/08/2010 3:37:32 AM PDT by Cronos (Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. "Allah": Satan's current status)
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To: Quix

QUix: “The desire for UNITY IS ONE OF THE MOST SAD, PATHETIC AND ABSURDLY PARADOXICAL ITEMS ON THE LIST!” —> ok, so you say so


292 posted on 08/08/2010 3:38:34 AM PDT by Cronos (Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. "Allah": Satan's current status)
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To: Quix

Certainty is what orthodoxy offers, yes


293 posted on 08/08/2010 3:39:21 AM PDT by Cronos (Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. "Allah": Satan's current status)
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To: Quix

History —> McKnight observes that many feel a “historical disenfranchisement” with Protestantism and want to be connected to the entire history of the Christian church and not just the period since the Reformation.


294 posted on 08/08/2010 3:40:22 AM PDT by Cronos (Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. "Allah": Satan's current status)
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To: napscoordinator

295 posted on 08/08/2010 3:45:28 AM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: ansel12

VERY INTERESTING.

THX.


296 posted on 08/08/2010 3:48:02 AM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: Cronos

What a HILLARIOUS
(YET PATHETIC)
!FARCE!

297 posted on 08/08/2010 3:50:31 AM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: Cronos

What a HILLARIOUS
(YET PATHETIC)
!FARCE!

298 posted on 08/08/2010 3:50:55 AM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: Steelfish; Quix

Looks like another "church" has degenerated to the point of promoting satanic symbols in their worship.

299 posted on 08/08/2010 4:00:31 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Cvengr

In this case . . . there’s some . . . quasi reasonableness in choosing it as a symbol of Peter’s being crucified upside down at his request.

There’s plenty of other stuff from hell to be concerned about under the Vatican umbrella, however!


300 posted on 08/08/2010 4:14:18 AM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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