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Magazine: Growing Trend--Evangelicals ‘Crossing the Tiber’ to Catholicism
TheSacredPage.com ^ | August 6, 2010 | Michael Barber

Posted on 08/07/2010 3:38:50 PM PDT by Salvation

Friday, August 06, 2010

Magazine: Growing Trend--Evangelicals ‘Crossing the Tiber’ to Catholicism

The magazine Religion Dispatches has a new piece up by Jonathan Fitzgerald, entitled, "Evangelicals ‘Crossing the Tiber’ to Catholicism: Under the radar of most observers a trend is emerging of evangelicals converting to Catholicism."


As he points out, there are an increasing number Evangelicals coming into the Catholic Church. In fact, while my wife and I were at Fuller we witnessed this phenomenon firsthand. Indeed, students would come up and ask us if they could follow us to daily Mass (which was celebrated at a Catholic Church down the street). I went to Mass with many fellow students who had never experienced a Eucharistic liturgy. . . and, for many of them, once they started attending they couldn't stop.

Here's the story as Fitzgerald reports it:
In the fall of 1999, I was a freshman at Gordon College, an evangelical liberal arts school in Massachusetts. There, fifteen years earlier, a professor named Thomas Howard resigned from the English department when he felt his beliefs were no longer in line with the college’s statement of faith. Despite all those intervening years, during my time at Gordon the specter of Thomas Howard loomed large on campus. The story of his resignation captured my imagination; it came about, ultimately, because he converted to Roman Catholicism.

Though his reasons for converting were unclear and perhaps unimaginable to me at the time (they are actually well-documented in his book Evangelical is Not Enough which, back then, I had not yet read), his reasons seemed less important than the knowledge that it could happen. I had never heard of such a thing. . .

. . . [M]y parents never spoke ill of the Catholic Church; though the pastors and congregants of our non-denominational, charismatic church-that-met-in-a-warehouse, often did. Despite my firsthand experience with the Church, between the legend of my parents’ conversion (anything that happens in a child’s life before he is born is the stuff of legends) and the portrait of the Catholic Church as an oppressive institution that took all the fun out of being “saved,” I understood Catholicism as a religion that a person leaves when she becomes serious about her faith.

And yet, Thomas Howard is only the tip of the iceberg of a hastening trend of evangelicals converting to Catholicism. North Park University professor of religious studies Scot McKnight documented some of the reasons behind this trend in his important 2002 essay entitled “From Wheaton to Rome: Why Evangelicals become Roman Catholic.” The essay was originally published in the Journal of the Evangelical Theological Society, and was later included in a collection of conversion stories he co-edited with Hauna Ondrey entitled Finding Faith, Losing Faith: Stories of Conversion and Apostasy.

Thomas Howard comes in at number five on McKnight’s list of significant conversions, behind former Presbyterian pastor and author of Rome Sweet Home, Scott Hahn, and Marcus Grodi founder of The Coming Home Network International, an organization that provides “fellowship, encouragement and support for Protestant pastors and laymen who are somewhere along the journey or have already been received into the Catholic Church,” according to their Web site. Other featured converts include singer-songwriter John Michael Talbot and Patrick Madrid, editor of the Surprised by Truth books, which showcase conversion stories.

Would Saint Augustine Go to a Southern Baptist Church in Houston?

McKnight first identified these converts eight years ago, and the trend has continued to grow in the intervening years. It shows up in a variety of places, in the musings of the late Michael Spencer (the “Internet Monk”) about his wife’s conversion and his decision not to follow, as well as at the Evangelical Theological Society where the former President and Baylor University professor Francis J. Beckwith made a well-documented “return to Rome.” Additionally, the conversion trend is once again picking up steam as the Millennial generation, the first to be born and raised in the contemporary brand of evangelicalism, comes of age. Though perhaps an unlikely setting, The King’s College, an evangelical Christian college in New York City, provides an excellent case study for the way this phenomenon is manifesting itself among young evangelicals.

The King’s College campus is comprised of two floors in the Empire State Building and some office space in a neighboring building on Fifth Avenue. The approximately 300 students who attend King’s are thoughtful, considerate and serious. They are also intellectually curious. This combination of traits, it turns out, makes the college a ripe breeding ground for interest in Roman Catholicism. Among the traits of the Catholic Church that attract TKC students—and indeed many young evangelicals at large—are its history, emphasis on liturgy, and tradition of intellectualism.

Lucas Croslow was one such student to whom these and other attributes of Catholicism appealed. This past spring, graduating from The King’s College was not the only major change in Croslow’s life, he was also confirmed into the Catholic Church.

Croslow’s interest in Catholicism began over six years ago when he was a sophomore in high school. At the time, Croslow’s Midwestern evangelical church experienced a crisis that is all too common among evangelical churches: what he describes as “a crisis of spiritual authority.” As a result of experiencing disappointment in his pastor, Croslow began to question everything he had learned from him. This questioning led him to study the historical origins of scripture and then of the Christian church itself. Eventually he concluded that Catholicism in its current form is the closest iteration of the early church fathers’ intentions. He asks, “If Saint Augustine showed up today, could we seriously think that he’d attend a Southern Baptist church in Houston?” The answer, to Croslow, is a resounding “No.”
 
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You can read the rest here.



TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; History; Theology
KEYWORDS: catholic; catholiclist; converts; evangelical; freformed
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To: ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton

Thanks for sharing your story! And blessings to both of you!


181 posted on 08/07/2010 8:57:48 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Campion
Do you understand that the birth control pill causes early abortions in a certain number of cases? Tell me when the SBC has explained this to their members and told them that using birth control pills is sinful?

How many conservative Catholic women, that would be real Catholics to you, are or have been taking birth control pills???

182 posted on 08/07/2010 8:59:58 PM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: ansel12

How many times does one need to say to you — prove your numbers?

They are wrong!

Only CINOs vote for dimocrats.

Amazing that you do not address the items of faith I bring up. Just as I thought, it seems you are unfamiliar with what REAL Catholics believe. May I ask you to educate yourself, please, and stop believing all the junk on pamplets that might get passed out as you leave your church.

BTW, what church do you attend?


183 posted on 08/07/2010 9:01:28 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: boatbums; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Captain Beyond; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; ...

Opinions like these and the almost daily posts here on Free Republic about “Crossing the Tiber” and the supposed superiority of The Catholic Church makes me wonder what is really the most important thing here? Which is preferred, that a person comes to the saving knowledge of Jesus Christ or they put “Catholic” as their religion on a form? Really, that some seek formality and ritual in their worship and some prefer a less rigid, informal form of worship is what drives many in their preferences in church choice today. Such alternatives were not available in years past but that doesn’t make one “better” than another.

What really matters, as a Christian, is do the beliefs comply with scripture and the teachings of the head, who is Christ Jesus? As a non-Catholic (not ANTI) I fully accept, as have many expressed here, that it is the heart that determines the relationship, not the labels. Just as a prime example, look at what the very earliest Christians did:

Acts 2:46-47
So continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, they ate their food with gladness and simplicity of heart, praising God and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily those who were being saved.

The saved became part of the body, the church, when they believed. They did not have to join the “church” first.


ABSOLUTELY INDEED.

It is clear from the wailing, whining and emphases hereon virtually 24/7

WHAT THE SPIRITUAL/RELIGIOUS PRIORITY IS for MANY RC’s.

And it ain’t JESUS NOR HIS WORD.

And all the weasel words and rationalizations from now until Jesus comes won’t erase the brazenly DEMONSTRATED facts of such priorities as ACTED OUT relentlessly on these threads.


184 posted on 08/07/2010 9:01:32 PM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: surroundedbyblue
(you guys have Carter & Clinton, don’t forget

Again why name two individuals as though that is meaningful, Protestants voted against both of them, and Catholics voted for both of them, IT IS THE VOTER THAT COUNTS.

This is a political activist site, how groups vote is extremely important, don't you think that Catholic voting and the mass immigration of more Catholics, legal and illegal, is an important topic for a site that wants conservatives to win current and future elections?

185 posted on 08/07/2010 9:01:51 PM PDT by ansel12 (Mitt: "I was an independent during the time of Reagan-Bush. I'm not trying to return to Reagan-Bush")
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To: ansel12

“so 54% of Catholic voters of 2008 America are now excommunicated, does the Vatican know this?”

People show up for Mass on Sundays. We don’t stop them at the door & ask who they voted for. When a Catholic receives Holy Communion, it is expected of them to be sure they are in not in a state of mortal sin, that they have fasted for the last hour, & that they have received the sacrament of reconciliation. The priest has no way of knowing this. If a person has excommunicated oneself, THEY must seek forgiveness.

And to answer your question, yes these voters have unknowingly excommunicated themselves. Sad, isn’t it?


186 posted on 08/07/2010 9:02:51 PM PDT by surroundedbyblue
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To: Salvation

You claimed that all the Catholics that voted for Obama have been excommunicated from the Catholic church, are you standing by that?


187 posted on 08/07/2010 9:04:07 PM PDT by ansel12 (Mitt: "I was an independent during the time of Reagan-Bush. I'm not trying to return to Reagan-Bush")
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To: ansel12

I’ll stand by that. As a Catholic, one cannot support in any way abortion. That means having one, performing one, helping someone procure one, or voting for pro-abortion pols. Your vote is your voice, and so a pro-choice vote is a mortal sin.

BTW, you obviously missed the entire point of my previous post when I named Carter & Clinton. Typical of someone not interested in a discussion but only in Catholic bashing.

As far as immigrants & their Catholic vote, as long as these people are educated in the teachings of their faith (see the Voters Guide I mentioned above), then they shouldn’t be voting democrat. But what do you expect from those who are obviously dishonest enough to sneak into this country? And I don’t care what the bishops may say, illegal immirgation is a SIN!!!! Thou shalt not steal was a sin, last time I checked.


188 posted on 08/07/2010 9:08:52 PM PDT by surroundedbyblue
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To: surroundedbyblue
Where do you get the idea that a personal relationship with Jesus is mocked?

Because it is mocked in some Catholic literature...Because actual Catholics on these threads have mocked the idea...

And that we are led by the magisterium & not by the Holy Spirit? Please get some info before spreading such nonsense.

You don't spend much time on these threads, do you???

Further, you should also try reading some conversion stories since you seem to doubt that newly minted Catholics have ever had a salavtion experience. Sheesh!! What unadulterated ignorance!!!!

Well perhaps you can post some, or even one...I've read a number of conversion stories...I have yet to see a testimony where a former Protestant had repented and accepted Jesus as their own personal Savior...

Don't keep us waiting...Post some of those stories...

189 posted on 08/07/2010 9:10:01 PM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: surroundedbyblue
And to answer your question, yes these voters have unknowingly excommunicated themselves. Sad, isn’t it?

54% of the Catholic voters of November 2008 is a fair chunk of change, that will seriously reduce the number of Catholics that the Catholic church can claim that are in the United States, when do we see the new numbers? To what year would that rule go back to

Just how does the Vatican create it's numbers of claimed membership globally, and how does it clear people from the rolls?

190 posted on 08/07/2010 9:10:19 PM PDT by ansel12 (Mitt: "I was an independent during the time of Reagan-Bush. I'm not trying to return to Reagan-Bush")
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To: ansel12; Salvation; vladimir998; Quix; surroundedbyblue
For the discussion, first a map of leading church bodies as of 2000 by county:

And then a map of the 2008 election results by county:

To me, the maps suggest that when a conservative religious body is dominant in a county that voted liberal, the members need to put more effort into their outreach, i.e. to get the conservative values across to their members and to the community.

191 posted on 08/07/2010 9:10:50 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Quix

Seems to the RCC’s it’s more important to appear right than be saved.

Matthew 15:9
They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.’”


192 posted on 08/07/2010 9:11:42 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: smvoice

Yeah? And? Is the Pentecost a foreign concept to you? Read the WHOLE Bible, don’t poke holes in it.


193 posted on 08/07/2010 9:13:05 PM PDT by narses ( 'Prefer nothing to the love of Christ.')
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To: Alamo-Girl

Thanks for those maps.


194 posted on 08/07/2010 9:13:38 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation
You're quite welcome, dear brother in Christ!
195 posted on 08/07/2010 9:14:37 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl

FASCINATING.

THX THX.


197 posted on 08/07/2010 9:16:38 PM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: Alamo-Girl

Thanks for those maps.

To me, they are very telling. A lot of blue in the denomination one and a lot of pink, red, and light pink in the same areas.

The big cities kill our elections don’t they?


198 posted on 08/07/2010 9:17:36 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: presently no screen name

THAT RULES AND PRIORITIES TAUGHT BY MAN STUFF HAS BEEN SPIRITUALLY DEADLY FOR MANY MANY CENTURIES . . . MILLENIA.


199 posted on 08/07/2010 9:17:50 PM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: vladimir998
And your doubts are ridiculous. Your sort of backward reasoning is necessary, however, for the sectarian to keep up his belief in his sect and heresy.

Backward reasoning??? Looks pretty forward to me...

“Why would a person who is saved, has a personal relationship with Jesus, move on to the Catholic church where a personal relationship with Jesus is mocked in the Catholic religion??? “

More anti-Catholic mendacity for all to see.

Anti Catholic??? Of course it's anti Catholic...I don't deny that...Why would a real Christian want to become Catholic??? It wouldn't make any sense...

200 posted on 08/07/2010 9:21:03 PM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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