Posted on 08/07/2010 3:38:50 PM PDT by Salvation
Whatever.
TRUE.
THX.
Let me help you with your confusion about sola fide:
http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/quickquestions/keyword/sola%20fide
It's not mean spirited...It's intellectual and spiritual reasoning...
Why would a person who is saved, has a personal relationship with Jesus, move on to the Catholic church where a personal relationship with Jesus is mocked in the Catholic religion??? What person who is led by the Holy Spirit would give that up to be led by your magisterium??? And what born again, saved Christian would give up that salvation for the insecurity of, we won't know if we are saved' til we get there???
I doubt that anyone who moved from a non Catholic church to the Catholic religion has had a salvation experience, thus making them Christian in name only...
The only way is that you never accepted the 'free gift' in the first place...
“Most of the people in our society are sheep. They are kind, gentle, productive creatures who can only hurt one another by accident.
Oh my goodness!!! You certainly are lacking in knowledge of what the Catholic church is all about.
I find it disgusting that people post opinions based on such ignorance. You are entitled to your opinion but not to your own facts. Where do you get the idea that a personal relationship with Jesus is mocked? And that we are led by the magisterium & not by the Holy Spirit? Please get some info before spreading such nonsense.
Further, you should also try reading some conversion stories since you seem to doubt that newly minted Catholics have ever had a salavtion experience. Sheesh!! What unadulterated ignorance!!!!
Of course I don't deny it, a minority of Protestants voted Democrat and there are many more Protestants here than Catholics of course, this being America, but the majority of them voted Republican, and that is true in every election.
What is more important and needs to be revealed in light of millions of Catholics coming here from Mexico and other violent Latin countries, is that Catholicism causes the majority of it's Catholics to vote liberal and pro-abortion for some reason, and we need American Catholics to fix that, but first they have to know that it is happening.
What makes the majority of Catholics, liberal, pro-abortion, Democrat voters and how do conservative Catholics bring change in that area?
It's going to take a few...They'll have to google those questions up and post a link to the answers...
You really don’t know much about Catholicism do you?
For example:
You are not aware that by voting for ANY dimocrat — they excommunicate themselves.
Have you ever looked up how grave a sin abortion and helping anyone seek abortions is? And all the dimocrats, including the CINOs who support the dimocrat platform support abortion.
It’s not a matter of not liking them. It’s a matter of re-educating them — the CINOs, that is.
And you can’t tell me that every evangelical voted against Obrotion O either. There had to be people of various denominations who voted for him.
My theory is that people wanted to elect a black man and so they voted for him. How many are sorry about that right now — LOTS. Watch the upcoming elections!
And remember that we are on the same side — the conservative side!
NO need to slam the REAL Catholics on this forum at all. Do you agree with that?
Opinions like these and the almost daily posts here on Free Republic about "Crossing the Tiber" and the supposed superiority of The Catholic Church makes me wonder what is really the most important thing here? Which is preferred, that a person comes to the saving knowledge of Jesus Christ or they put "Catholic" as their religion on a form? Really, that some seek formality and ritual in their worship and some prefer a less rigid, informal form of worship is what drives many in their preferences in church choice today. Such alternatives were not available in years past but that doesn't make one "better" than another.
What really matters, as a Christian, is do the beliefs comply with scripture and the teachings of the head, who is Christ Jesus? As a non-Catholic (not ANTI) I fully accept, as have many expressed here, that it is the heart that determines the relationship, not the labels. Just as a prime example, look at what the very earliest Christians did:
Acts 2:46-47
So continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, they ate their food with gladness and simplicity of heart, praising God and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily those who were being saved.
The saved became part of the body, the church, when they believed. They did not have to join the "church" first.
Bizarre way to see things, both of those men won the "Catholic vote" and both of them lost the "Protestant vote".
You wrote:
“Why would a person who is saved, has a personal relationship with Jesus, move on to the Catholic church where a personal relationship with Jesus is mocked in the Catholic religion??? “
More anti-Catholic mendacity for all to see.
“I doubt that anyone who moved from a non Catholic church to the Catholic religion has had a salvation experience, thus making them Christian in name only...”
And your doubts are ridiculous. Your sort of backward reasoning is necessary, however, for the sectarian to keep up his belief in his sect and heresy.
You wrote:
“Bizarre way to see things, both of those men won the “Catholic vote” and both of them lost the “Protestant vote”.”
Both were elected by Protestants. Many more Protestants voted for them than Catholics. Also, both are Protestants.
LOL! I have been saying that for a long time! So true.
No I was not aware of that, so 54% of Catholic voters of 2008 America are now excommunicated, does the Vatican know this? Are they no longer counted in the figures given out on Catholic membership in America and globally?
How many elections does this go back to?
You wrote:
“Opinions like these and the almost daily posts here on Free Republic about “Crossing the Tiber” and the supposed superiority of The Catholic Church makes me wonder what is really the most important thing here?”
It’s not an opinion. It’s a fact - the SBC was started to uphold the life of slavery and racism.
Were you a saved, born again Christian before you converted to Catholicism???
Try googling the Voters Guide for Serious Catholics. I don’t have the link or else I’d attach it but basically you will see how the FAITH teaches/expects Catholics to vote & how CINOs (which is exactly what they are) screw the whole thing up & give us devout, orthodox Catholics a bad rep at the voting booth. The doctrines & teachings of the Catholic faith are very conservative. Open your mind & you will see that.
I know we all have theological differences (big ones!) but I really wish that Catholics & Protestants could come together on this stuff instead of blaming each other for the disaster we have in DC.
I have a good friend who is orthodox Jew. I’d never lump Elena Kagan or Rham Emmanuel into the same category as him. And likewise he dosen’t hit me over the head with Pelosi, Kennedy, or Kerry. So let’s stop doing that with our fellow FReepers, please. Both sides can be associated with idiots (you guys have Carter & Clinton, don’t forget. I think we’d all agree that those people are not true followers of Christ, right?
My wife and I both made this journey about 20 years ago.
I was raised in “Church of Christ” she was a former Baptist.
It is encouraging to see others who have done this for theological purity rather than just to get married, which in my experience is the majority of ‘converts’.
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