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[CATHOLIC/ORTHODOX CAUCUS] Clergy to convene, discuss Catholic missal changes (waah alert)
Milwaukee Journal Sentinel ^ | 8/5/2010 | Annysa Johnson

Posted on 08/05/2010 5:00:26 AM PDT by markomalley

Catholic clergy and lay leaders from around the region will gather in Milwaukee Thursday for a two-day conference that will be, for some, their first in-depth look at the controversial changes ahead in the Catholic liturgy.

The Vatican is issuing its most significant and extensive revision of the Roman Missal - the prayers and texts used in Catholic worship - since the 1960s in an effort said to better reflect the original Latin texts.

But some see the changes, due to be implemented late next year, as unwieldy and unnecessary. And they fear they could further alienate the faithful at a time when the church is already struggling financially and failing to retain members.

"For some people this will be very unsettling," said Father Ken Smits, a Capuchin priest and liturgical scholar who is troubled by the move away from the vernacular to a more stilted, "sacralizing" language.

"The real concern is among the parish priests, who will have to explain something many of them are not in favor of," said Smits. "They'd much rather spend their time in ministry than have to go through this linguistic exercise."

The Archdiocese of Milwaukee workshop is one of 22 around the country aimed at educating clergy and lay leaders on the revisions.

Dean Daniels, director of the archdiocese's Office for Worship, called critics' concerns valid, but said the revision will bring English-speaking Catholics in line with the global church.

"Anytime there are changes, people go through the process of being angry and sad," he said. "But the church has been changing forever. It's a dynamic, living organism."

The Vatican approved the U.S. version of the Missal revision in March. An international petition drive asking English-speaking bishops to slow the implementation using a pilot program has drawn more than 21,000 signatures, including many from Wisconsin.

The new translation, nine years in the making, is the work of the Vatican's Congregation for Divine Worship and Discipline of the Sacraments and a committee of English-speaking bishops and consultants known as Vox Clara, or "Clear Voice."

That alone is troubling to some who see the revisions as part of a systematic dismantling of provisions of the Second Vatican Council, which, among other things, endorsed the celebration of the Mass in the vernacular of the people and gave national bishops conferences authority over translations.

"The fathers of Vatican II said overwhelmingly that we know how to adapt the prayers to our own needs," said Father David Cooper of St. Matthias Parish in Milwaukee and chairman of the Milwaukee Archdiocese Priest Alliance.

The new translation introduces more formal, rarefied language into the liturgy. But Cooper and others who have studied drafts say it ignores English grammar and syntax and introduces terms - "consubstantial," "oblation," "ignominy," to mention a few - unfamiliar to many American Catholics. And some worry it will sow division in the pews.

"You can call it whatever you like, but it's not English," said Cooper.

"The language of prayer is supposed to be evocative, graceful, uplifting," he said. "This reads like clunk-clunk-clunk-bang-boom."

Some pastors have already begun preparing their parishioners for the changes, which will ultimately require an investment in new missals and hymnals.

"Much of the music that has come up over the last 30 years will no longer be useable," said Father Alan Jurkus of St. Alphonsus Parish in Greendale, who sent out a letter this month notifying members of the coming changes.

Jurkus is encouraging parishioners to accept the revision as an opportunity to grow in their faith. But he harbors his own concerns.

"The bottom line for me is why. Why, with everything else that's going on in the church, do we have to rub salt in the wounds?"


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That alone is troubling to some who see the revisions as part of a systematic dismantling of provisions of the Second Vatican Council, which, among other things, endorsed the celebration of the Mass in the vernacular of the people and gave national bishops conferences authority over translations.

"The fathers of Vatican II said overwhelmingly that we know how to adapt the prayers to our own needs," said Father David Cooper of St. Matthias Parish in Milwaukee and chairman of the Milwaukee Archdiocese Priest Alliance.

"Spirit of Vatican II" -- ((barf))

1 posted on 08/05/2010 5:00:29 AM PDT by markomalley
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To: markomalley
introduces terms - "consubstantial," "oblation," "ignominy," to mention a few - unfamiliar to many American Catholics.

How demeaning to the church population habiting the kneelers and the pews! This Catholic already knows those words and has used them for years. I say bring on the new missal quickly. We were without a missal for years after Vat. II. I don't want to go through a period like that again, where the Mass is distributed on mimeographed sheets stuffed in the hymnal racks.

And why are our hymns no longer useable? This is the first that I've heard this warning. I thought the language of the new missal was just to smooth out awkward and erroneous expressions that took effect after Vat. II when the Mass was translated into the vernacular.

2 posted on 08/05/2010 5:15:28 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic (Southeast Wisconsin)
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To: markomalley
"For some people this will be very unsettling," said Father Ken Smits, a Capuchin priest and liturgical scholar

It would seem that Fr. Smits is part of the problem.

3 posted on 08/05/2010 5:16:54 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: markomalley
And they fear they could further alienate the faithful at a time when the church is already struggling financially and failing to retain members.

In other words, retaining members is more important than Truth.

I can only think of Jesus' words to the Apostles when so many disciples left after he told them to eat his flesh and drink his blood... "Will you also go away?"

Perhaps those who would leave the Church over this translation are looking for a reason to leave. Or perhaps they ought to be a little more humble and say to themselves "Is there something I can learn about God, and about the Mass, through this new translation?"
4 posted on 08/05/2010 5:17:00 AM PDT by StonyMan451
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To: markomalley
"The real concern is among the parish priests, who will have to explain something many of them are not in favor of,"

More of the problem ... and I bet there's a lot of FLAK from NPM and "ministers of music".

5 posted on 08/05/2010 5:18:28 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: markomalley
"The language of prayer is supposed to be evocative, graceful, uplifting," he said. "This reads like clunk-clunk-clunk-bang-boom."

Well, I'm sure it's not what he meant, but that's a perfect description of the current ICEL abomination translation.

6 posted on 08/05/2010 5:20:59 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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"Much of the music that has come up over the last 30 years will no longer be useable,"

HALLELUJAH!!!!!!!

7 posted on 08/05/2010 5:21:44 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: markomalley
"You can call it whatever you like, but it's not English," said Cooper, whose SAT verbal score was 320, and that was back when you got 200 for filling in your name correctly.
8 posted on 08/05/2010 5:38:03 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Steampunk Baby and the Quest for Bill's iPod - now on DVD!)
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To: ArrogantBustard

I wonder if he’s related to the actor Jimmy Smits, who was once quite exceptionally attractive.


9 posted on 08/05/2010 5:38:46 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Steampunk Baby and the Quest for Bill's iPod - now on DVD!)
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To: Tax-chick

Wiki says Jimmy Smits has two sisters.

I have no desire to investigate the matter further.

I’ll defer to your judgment of masculine pulchritude.


10 posted on 08/05/2010 6:00:23 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

Thanks!


11 posted on 08/05/2010 6:06:44 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Steampunk Baby and the Quest for Bill's iPod - now on DVD!)
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To: markomalley
"Much of the music that has come up over the last 30 years will no longer be useable," said Father Alan Jurkus of St. Alphonsus Parish in Greendale..

The news keeps getting better!!

12 posted on 08/05/2010 6:21:44 AM PDT by Miles the Slasher
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To: markomalley
That alone is troubling to some who see the revisions as part of a systematic dismantling of provisions of the Second Vatican Council, which, among other things, endorsed the celebration of the Mass in the vernacular of the people and gave national bishops conferences authority over translations.

EO kudos to all who labor to restore a sense of mystery to the sacred rites - even if "hard words" like oblation are restored. (The Orthodox still offer the Holy Oblation)

13 posted on 08/05/2010 8:46:56 AM PDT by don-o (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

** I say bring on the new missal quickly. **

Ditto! Let’s ask for it quickly. In fact, I think I will put in an order now!


14 posted on 08/05/2010 8:50:33 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: ArrogantBustard

I echo your song!


15 posted on 08/05/2010 8:51:56 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: markomalley

I’m thinking this is why my priest will be gone for four days at the beginning of September. Presbyteral councils will be buzzing! Workshops on this will be buzzing!


16 posted on 08/05/2010 3:58:34 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: ArrogantBustard
"This reads like clunk-clunk-clunk-bang-boom."

It's also a perfect description of the NAB -- especially the Psalms. But I don't suppose anything's being done about that . . . yet.

17 posted on 08/07/2010 1:42:49 PM PDT by maryz
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