To: TaraP
Scripture tells us that Jacob saw God FACE TO FACE. That literally means that they met FACE TO FACE. Any other attempt to interpret is blasphemy.
4 posted on
07/05/2010 11:16:52 AM PDT by
Greenbow
(Trust in God.)
To: Greenbow
I wonder, does he prefer electric, or straight razor?
To: Greenbow
I don’t think Face to Face in Genesis meant 2 people standing in front of one another...
9 posted on
07/05/2010 11:20:31 AM PDT by
TaraP
(He never offered our victories without fighting but he said help would always come in time)
To: Greenbow
“Scripture tells us that Jacob saw God FACE TO FACE. That literally means that they met FACE TO FACE. Any other attempt to interpret is blasphemy.”
The hand of God is huge! So is his nose!
15 posted on
07/05/2010 11:28:49 AM PDT by
Jack Hydrazine
(It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
To: Greenbow
Watching a documentary on the History channel about Jacob right now, actually. Text in the Bible says he met a man. Not an angel, not a spirit, but a man. This is the same man that Jacob wrestled, and then named him Israel.
That man was God.
Seems to me Israel met God face to face.
To: Greenbow
That literally means that they met FACE TO FACE. Any other attempt to interpret is blasphemy
Ah, no. Please put down the English Bible and rethink what what "literally means" ...really means.
Jacob said, "רָאִיתִי" [rayiti], which can mean, "I see, I behold, I perceive" etc. The word does not always mean to see with the eye.
The phrase "face to face" as it appears in your English Bible does NOT say that in Hebrew. It is NOT a mechanical translation as you imply. It is "פָּנִים אֶל־פָּנִים" [panyim-el panyim] which literally means: "sides to sides." The word "face" is not found in the Hebrew. Also, the word "panyim" here is is PLURAL, eg. "sides to sides." Even if it meant "face" it would be "faces to faces."
Lastly, the word "אֱ-הִים" [ekohim] often means "G0d" but is also used for angels.
Although many will agree that the translation of "I saw G0d face to face" is acceptible - it is NOT literal as you imply.
35 posted on
07/05/2010 12:08:29 PM PDT by
Tzfat
To: Greenbow
He saw Christ face to face, not the Father
55 posted on
07/05/2010 1:34:08 PM PDT by
RnMomof7
To: Greenbow
Why is Everything blasphemy??
Do you even know the meaning?
56 posted on
07/05/2010 1:46:36 PM PDT by
plinyelder
("I've noticed that everybody that is for abortion has already been born." -- Ronald Reagan)
To: Greenbow
He, as so many others in the Old Testament accounts of history, saw the Second Person of the Trinity. It is called a Christophany.
59 posted on
07/05/2010 2:00:31 PM PDT by
LiteKeeper
("It's the peoples' seat!")
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