17th of Tammuz Laws and Customs (The Day Jerusalem's Walls were Breached)

Chabad ^ | June 29, 2010 | Editors

[Jewbacca]

This is today.

For the Jewish Freepers who had to work like me.

[Mr. K]

I am not Jewish but compare the beauty and peacefulness of these traditions -vs- the horrible violence of the “Religion of Peace (tm)”

[pastorbillrandles]

Obama and the mourning of Israel-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1jI34xWtvc

[Nachum]

An ‘easy fast’ to you and all those who are.

[trisham]

Is water allowed?

[Jewbacca]

I avoid it, but if I have to (e.g., get dizzy), I’d drink water.

But I don’t know the specific rule, if there is one.

As a minor aside, this day repeatedly has bad things happen during it: lots of the pogroms in Europe took place on this day to being the day Libya kicked all it Jewish citizens out in 1970.

[trisham]

Interesting. Thanks.

[Zionist Conspirator]

Thank you for this post.

Another interesting historical fact: July 4, 1776 fell on this fast day (17 Tammuz, 5536).

[SunkenCiv]

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[Little Bill]

I remember back in the Sixties when I was stationed in NYC, the Orthodox Jews would flag us over to be a Fifth for afternoon prayers, being a basic kind of Christian always stopped if I could, kind of like a prayer circle.

[papabrody]

One of the best fasts.

B’H

[Verginius Rufus]

How do they get the exact day for when Moses broke the Ten Commandments? Exodus 19.1 makes mention of "the third month" which would seem to mean the third month after Nisan (the month of the Passover), therefore sometime in Tammuz, but I don't see anything giving an exact interval before the Golden Calf and the breaking of the tablets.

Ezekiel has the women weeking for Tammuz in the sixth month, on the fifth day of the month (8.14, cf. 8.1)--that should be sometime in mid-August this year. Of course that is Tammuz as the name of a god, not the name of a month.

[Verginius Rufus]

“weeking for Tammuz” should be “weeping for Tammuz”

[papabrody]

No weddings, no parties, no haircuts, no music....just reflection and mourning ‘till Tisha B’Av. Intense Torah study, tzedakah and a deeper bonding with G-d are essential during this time period.

May the rebuilding of the Beit HaMikdash mark the ultimate redemption, the restoration of harmony within G-d’s creation and between G-d and His creation.

B’H

[wildbill]

Man, that’s a couple of thousand years of dedication to remembrance. Is Mazel Tov an appropriate toast to you guys?

[M. Espinola]

Thanks for posting this historical backgrounder on Shiva Assar B’Tammuz. Mazol Tov!

[Jewbacca]

askmoses.com

[Jewbacca]

“Is Mazel Tov an appropriate toast to you guys?”

Probably not. That means “you’ve had good fortune.”

With the exception of 7.7.1776, I can’t think of a good thing that happened this day in history.

[Jewbacca]

Actually, without looking, and noting that this day corresponded to 7.7.1776 on the pagan (yes, pagan, it’s really from Roman times) Gregorian Calendar, I presume the day floats 30 days, give or take, due to the nature of a lunar vs. solar calendar.

[jjotto]

Just FWIW

July 4, 1776 is 17 Tammuz 5536.