[Natural Law]

Truly a vile heresey from a vile man.

[Dutchboy88]

No question he was broken. It is just that his perfectly framed condemnations of the demonic cult of Rome has helped perhaps billions escape the clutches of that utter cesspool.

[C19fan]

True enough but one can say the same things about the Catholic Church before the Reformation. As a disclaimer I am RC but the world is a better place because of the Reformation.

[C19fan]

True enough but one can say the same things about the Catholic Church before the Reformation. As a disclaimer I am RC but the world is a better place because of the Reformation.

[Judith Anne]

Thanks for the post. Shocking.

[Desdemona]

In 1551, a Catholic controversialist revealed that the archives of the city of Noyon, Calvin's birth place, contain the record of a condemnation against Calvin, at age 18, for sodomy.

I'm curious about something, no biography of Calvin that I can find mentions a wife. Did he have one?

[RegulatorCountry]

So, apparently Saturday is Bash Calvin Day for Catholics, but I can’t quite figure out when Praise Calvin Day occurs. I know it does, because I’ve seen it on FR before, but quite frankly I’m stumped.

Does it relate to cycles of the moon or something, lol?

I’ve pretty firmly established that Monday, Wednesday and Friday are Bash Luther days for Catholics, with Praise Luther on alternating days.

But, admittedly, this deciphering is a work in progress.

At least you guys have finally eschewed digging up corpses to hurl invective at them in some sham of a postmortem trial. “Tales From The Crypt” meets the medieval Star Chamber, I guess.

John Wycliffe and Pope Formosus are no doubt deeply relieved.

[theanonymouslurker]

There is one answer, based upon serious evidence, one that has always been passionately denied by the Protestants. In 1551, a Catholic controversialist revealed that the archives of the city of Noyon, Calvin's birth place, contain the record of a condemnation against Calvin, at age 18, for sodomy.

Ooooh boy. That's gonna leave a mark.

[Artemis Webb]

[marajade]

And what about Pope Borgais?

[aruanan]

What are we to think of Calvin?

A civil and religious totalitarian who rebelled against excesses in his church by dressing up Muslim theology in Christian dress and pushing it onto the world in a massive treatise that could otherwise have been called, "There Is No God but the TULIP God and John Calvin Is His Prophet: If You Say Anything to the Contrary, I'll Have You Burned at the Stake, All for God's Greater Glory."

[aruanan]

It is only fair to wonder what could be the nature of such a burning self-reproach. There is one answer, based upon serious evidence, one that has always been passionately denied by the Protestants. In 1551, a Catholic controversialist revealed that the archives of the city of Noyon, Calvin's birth place, contain the record of a condemnation against Calvin, at age 18, for sodomy. He had by then already received the tonsure. His parents obtained clemency from the bishop, so that instead of being condemned to death as the law demanded, he was branded as a sign of infamy. The Catholic controversialist presented the evidence signed by all the eminent personages of the city. The English scholar Stapleton went there to examine the archives during Calvin's lifetime, and vouched for the fact. The contemporary German Lutherans spoke of it as an established fact (Schlusselburg, Théologie calvinienne).

This is of doubtful origin, though.

See this link to a rebuttal from a Catholic source: Refuting the Ludicrous Anti-Protestant Sodomy Charge Against John Calvin.

[aruanan]

Here is just a bit from that link:

Williston Walker (who was an actual historian at Yale), in his book, John Calvin (New York: Schocken Books, 1906; rep. 1969) writes about Bolsec on pp. 116-119, 315-320. Some excerpts:

The more specific charge, to which reference is now made, was formulated thirteen years after Calvin's death, by Jerome Hermes Bolsec . . . that Calvin had been convicted of heinous moral turpitude . . . No evidence has ever been produced of the existence of such a document as Bolsec alleges. Jacques Desmay, the earnest Catholic writer who used his stay as Advent and Lenten preacher at Noyon in 1614 and 1615 to learn all he could of Calvin's life there by records and tradition, found nothing of it. An equally determined Roman historian of Noyon, Jacques Le Vasseur, in his Annales of 1633, expressly repudiated it; and careful modern Roman Catholic scholars, such as Kampschulte and Paulus, reject it as "unworthy of serious refutation.

. . . The whole calumny would be unworthy of discussion had the accusation not been repeatedly renewed by a certain class of controversialists during the last century -- in one instance as recently as 1898.

(pp. 116-119)

[Dutchboy88]

"Each and every time I entered within myself, a horror so great came over me that neither purifications nor satisfactions could have effaced it. The more I considered myself the more my conscience was pricked with sharp darts, so much so that only one consolation remained, and that was to deceive myself by forgetting about myself ....bewildered by the misery into which I had fallen, and even more so by the knowledge of how close I was to eternal death (Letter to Sadolet)."

It is only fair to wonder what could be the nature of such a burning self-reproach.

One thing is clear, this papist writer never read Paul's letter to the Romans, Chap. 7 or he would have noticed the eerie similarities. But, of course we understand that most of the RC writers fancy themselves above Paul anyway, insofar as they seem to despise his disclosure of the true Gospel of Christ preferring instead their homemade kludge. Most of the RC writers likely have never been graced by conviction by God Himself, penetrating that hardest shell of pride. Instead, the RCs continue to manufacture ways to ward off conviction. Of course.

In that respect, it makes sense for an RC to attack a man that, like Paul, dismantled and discarded such tenets of Catholicism so thoroughly that it changed the world. But, it is oddly bizarre to see this Father(?) dumpster diving through spoiled slime then happily waving such error around in and attempt to make himself feel better. This is one desparate Fr. Someone do him a favor, hose him off and send him back to his home for unwed fathers.