Israel and the "Unholy Trinity" of Ezekiel 38-39

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[NoGrayZone]

The bible CLEARLY states NO ONE knows when.....not even His own Son.

They just told us what to watch for before the second coming of Christ.

[NoGrayZone]

As I started to read your post about the pre tribulation, “never waste a disaster” came into my mind......then I got to your “The old “don't let a disaster go to waste”. Where have we heard that before?” and paused...for a moment.

Creepy.

[RJR_fan]

The Lord and our Father have given us EVERY WARNING POSSIBLE. They have told us EXACTLY WHAT TO LOOK FOR AND HEED. Are you calling God and Jesus fortune tellers?

The destruction of Jerusalem, like our Lord's death, burial, resurrection, and enthronement (Pentecost), was a part of His saving work. Jesus, using the standard prophetic vocabulary of the Bible (which we can understand, if we read the whole Bible), predicted the time and the events with great clarity. He even gave a fairly precise time frame -- "this generation." Any honest reading of the Bible will reveal that the "this generation" Jesus spoke TO was the "this generation" Jesus spoke OF.

Those who heard and heeded our Lord's prophetic message took note when one of the three sects ravaging doomed Jerusalem brought Idumeans into the temple. Then, when the Roman armies briefly withdrew, the faithful and obedient believers beat feet into the hills, and escaped with their lives.

IOW, the Great Tribulation is something we can look back upon with relief, rather than forward to with apprehension. Apostate Israel was evicted from the center stage of history, so that God's new nation, a new Israel that combined Jew and Greek into One New Man, could flourish. Now, "it's all over but the shouting." He is reigning, defeating His enemies, and will continue doing so until only one foe remains to mar our happiness, death. THEN (not before) comes the end, the Day (singular) of judgement, the resurrection of the body, and life everlasting, Amen.

Strange -- when people spiral into the toilet of apocalyptic hysteria, they ALWAYS assume that much of the Bible was written directly to THEM -- to THEIR generation, rather than to all of God's people through all of history. After all, how could the Second Coming happen at any time OTHER than when someone as important as ME is strutting around?

[NoGrayZone]

"Now, "it's all over but the shouting." He is reigning, defeating His enemies, and will continue doing so"

Gee, I must have been asleep for the past few decades. I had NO idea He is reigning and defeating His enemies. I thought society was getting worse.....not better.

If He is here now defeating His enemies, why have His enemies taken hold of so many people......and continue doing so at an alarming rate?

[caww]

Thank you in return...I do believe there is comfortable balance one can have in looking at end times events...there are extreme opinions and hypes on both sides...the danger is when we begin to live our life according to either of those positions...our calling is to “watch”.... but never at the cost to the job at hand....Jesus said to “occupy” til He comes...and HE gave us life to do that...but it is very interesting to watch the events on the world stage...you never can tell maybe today we will look up and this will be THAT day....”What a day of rejoicing that will be”...as the old hymn says.

[caww]

Trust but verify...as it is said...and that goes for even the best of teachings and Pastors who might teach...or literature we might read. God reveals in His own good time...and some things we will never know this side of heaven...better it is to apply what we do know and understand as we walk with Him thru this world.

[RJR_fan]

Gee, I must have been asleep for the past few decades

It's nice to have confirmation. Thanks for being so agreeable!

We no longer live under the credible threat of global nuclear annihilation -- but it's more fun crying the blues than glorifying God for His great mercies.

The Chinese church has grown from 20,000 to more than 100 million -- but it's more fun crying the blues than glorifying God for His great mercies.

Millions of American children no longer participate in the cult of Caesar -- but it's more fun crying the blues than glorifying God for His great mercies.

What would it take to get you to glorify God for His great kindness to us? Isn't anything He does good enough to meet your standards, and give you hope?

[NoGrayZone]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7CGCXFp5Bs

[NavyCanDo]

I have read commentary on the Tribulation here on FR from every possible angle,... pre-tib, mid-trib, post trib, no trib, But this is the first time I have ever seen a post from someone from who believes in the Preterism doctrine. I have heard about the teaching, but never gave it much thought that people actually hold to it as strong as you seem to.

Your doctrine teaches that Christ returned in the clouds in AD 70, and that we are now living in the Millennium. Being how the book Revelation was written in about 95 AD and not before 70 AD, I don't how the prophecy Revelation could of already happened before it was even written. Preterism is a teaching that is filled with doctrinal error.

[RJR_fan]

Blessings upon your house!

There is strong INTERNAL evidence that Revelation was written before AD 63. See Kenneth Gentry's books, for example. Granted, there are "fool" preterists who deny "the resurrection of the body, and life everlasting, Amen." David Chilton adopted that position after quadruple bypass surgery. But there are many orthodox preterists who insist on Christian orthodoxy, who anticipate a literal bodily return of Jesus, and bodily resurrection.

[RJR_fan]

Oh yes. The future is bright indeed.

Is sure is, since we are making it better every day, with every act of faith and obedience. Our lives matter. The small contributions we place in the Lord's hands, when He blesses them, have a disproportionate effect.

Which brings me to a question that is urgently relevant to this conversation:

Do you have children?

• If not, has your commitment to the failure of the gospel affected your willingness to launch new souls into your blighted imaginary future?
• If so, how do they react to your hobby of prognostication? Do your repeated assertions that the next generation has nothing to look forward to encourage them to embrace your faith? Or drive them away?

You might be surprised to learn how many post-millennial, Calvinist Christians also have, and home-school, large families. They are raising kids who look forward to marrying, procreating, and propagating the faith in the most powerful way available to us. More than 90% of home school kids share their parents' faith, and plan to raise their kids the same way.

OTOH, according to the most recent surveys, evangelical kids raised to regard secular humanism as a legitimate faith[1] walk away from God. Perhaps as many as 95% of them.

I'm just wondering -- do those who "write off" the future also "write off" kids?

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[1] All education is religious education.

[caww]

Well, I don’t usually reveal if I do or not have children in cyberspace and I would suggest most people wouldn’t....especially to inquiring minds of people who want to know who are unknown.

Futher these questions appear to be canned from a script and very much insulting at that. The Holy Spirit does not operate in my life this way.....Additionally, the arrogance presented here flies in the face of many churches across the Christian community who are effectively spreading the Gospel and understand fully that calling, regardless of which line of endtimes they adhear to.

I can understand now why some might find certain posters offensive ...there are scriptures which encourage us to test the spirits to see if they are of God....some fail that test.

In light of this finding I will move onto other topics here on FR where dialogue is less insulting and without script.

HAve a good day.

[Mark was here]

Consider that the Prophecies all ready occurred.

That when Jesus said “You standing here will see ... “ actually meant those standing there, that Jesus did not mean “See ya in 2 or 3,000 years”.

Many of today's Fortune Tellers have been wrong in predicting the Rapture. How many times can a “Prophet” get it wrong before he is a False Prophet? Is there a three strike rule or something?

So please do me a favor and refrain from attacking those who are pointing out what is actually written.

Thank you.

[NavyCanDo]

“I’m just wondering — do those who “write off” the future also “write off” kids?”

Where do you get this stuff?
We(which by the way is the majority of Christians spanning many denominations) look forward to Christ Second coming have not “written off the future”. We are not doom and gloomers. On the contrary, we eagerly wait for his return, and the fulfillments of the millenia and the New Heaven and the New Earth, and the final punishment for Satan and his demons. And most of us feel that the time is drawing near and there may be anxiety because of the job we have to do to get ready. Reaching out to the lost, renouncing sin in our own lives, remaining steadfast. If we are afraid of anything it may because we fear there is not enough time to complete that job.

The message coming out of the pulpt in OUR chuurches is not one of dispair like you seem to think it is. We are to Be encouraged! Be anticipating! We are secure; we belong to Christ. And as the old gospel song says, “Soon and very soon we are going to see the King!”

JAMES 5:7 7-9
Be patient, then, brothers, until the Lord’s coming. See how the farmer waits for the land to yield its valuable crop and how patient he is for the autumn and spring rains. You too, be patient and stand firm, because the Lord’s coming is near. Don’t grumble against each other, brothers, or you will be judged. The Judge is standing at the door!

[small voice in the wilderness]

"Set your affection on things on this earth, NOT on things above"(Colossians 3:.........

WAIT A MINUTE! THAT'S NOT WHAT GOD'S WORD SAYS

"IF YE THEN BE RISEN WITH CHRIST, SEEK THOSE THINGS WHICH ARE ABOVE, WHERE CHRIST SITTETH ON THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD. SET YOUR AFFECTION ON THINGS ABOVE, NOT ON THINGS ON THE EARTH." (Colossians 3: 1,2).

[GiovannaNicoletta]

Consider that the Prophecies all ready occurred.

If they already occurred, where are the history books that detail all of the following happening in 70AD:

• When was the Gospel preached to all the nations?
• Who was the Antichrist?
• When and how was the Mark of the Beast implemented? What technology existed in 70AD that would enable one man to number every single person on the face of the earth? What technology existed in 70AD to enable one man to know who had his Mark and who didn't?
• Where is the record written anywhere that China had a 200 million man army in 70AD?
• Where is it recorded that 100 pound hailstones fell from the sky in 70AD?
• Where is it recorded that the Euphrates River was dried up in 70AD and what technology was used to accomplish that?
• Why did we have the rebirth if Israel in 1948 if all of the prophecies that pointed to the literal return of Christ already happened?
• If Jerusalem was forever removed from being the burdensome stone, why has it now returned to that status?
• Where is it recorded that a seven-year peace treaty was confirmed by one man between the nation of Israel and the nations of the world?
• Where is it recorded that 25% of the entire world, not just the known world at that time, died by famine, plague, and being put to death by the Antichrist in 70AD?
• Where is it recorded that there was a great earthquake on the earth; the sun turned black and the moon turned to blood in 70AD?
• Where is it recorded that hail and fire mixed with blood was hurled down upon the entire earth. Where is it recorded that a third of the earth was burned up, a third of the trees were burned up, and all the green grass was burned up in 70AD?

I could go on, but you're going to have enough problems enough finding evidence for your claim that all of that has already occurred without me adding more.

Many of today's Fortune Tellers have been wrong in predicting the Rapture. How many times can a “Prophet” get it wrong before he is a False Prophet? Is there a three strike rule or something?

Because there have been foolish people down through the years who disobeyed God by attempting to predict when the Rapture would occur does not negate the absolute truth of the God-written prophetic Scriptures.

Nor does the fact that we have arrogant, foolish people today who deny those prophetic Scriptures and, when denying the prophetic Scriptures doesn't make them go away, and when the denying doesn't stop the ongoing, daily fulfillment of those prophetic Scriptures in our day, then the name-calling starts.

It's all the Bible-deniers have since God's Own words nuke their stupid, man-created belief systems.

So please do me a favor and refrain from attacking those who are pointing out what is actually written.

Do me a favor and spend some time trying to come up with anything that would prove your assertion that God is either lying or He screwed up when He didn't tell us that His prophecies for Christ's return already happened in the ancient past.

Do me a favor and try to find anything in Scripture that would support your claims.

And when you can't come up with that proof, scroll past threads which involve discussion of end-time prophecies that are being fulfilled on a daily, if not hourly, basis. Like I said before, the prophecy train left the station a long time ago. Don't let too many people know that you missed it.

[gitmo]

Good post.

[Mark was here]

I take it you think, Jesus was thinking 2000 - 30000 years, when he said otherwise. I guess it is all how you define the word “now”. Bill Clinton-ish if you were to ask me.

[GiovannaNicoletta]

Did the events that Christ gave for the Tribulation and for His literal, physical return to earth happen in 70AD?

[just me]

YEP !!