We can hear you, you know (sob)
Posted on 06/02/2010 1:47:13 PM PDT by reaganaut
Jesus of Nazareth, also known as Jesus Christ, or simply Jesus, is the central figure of Christianity. The life and sermons of Jesus form the basis of the Christian faith. Jesus Christ is recognized by believing Christians as God incarnate, the Son of God who was raised from the dead—the Redeemer of mankind—the most important figure in history.
According to Mormon doctrine, Jesus Christ is the Savior of the world. However, it seems that even the perceived Savior of the world is not exempt from LDS temple rituals. Proxy rites for Jesus Christ were performed in the Salt Lake (LDS) Temple in Utah, in April 2010. The Salt Lake Temple, located on Temple Square in the heart of Mormon-dominated Salt Lake City, was dedicated on April 6, 1893—three years before Utah became a state in 1896—and is one of the oldest of the 132 currently operating temples that are owned and maintained by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS.)
New FamilySearch is the online genealogy database of the LDS Church that contains updated details of LDS temple ordinances that have been done for dead people. There are multiple listings for Jesus Christ in New FamilySearch—under different versions of his identity—which have been submitted by individual Mormons. It is not known how many times Jesus has been subjected to LDS rites because all New FamilySearch records for him—including combined records—show LDS ordinance details as “Not Available.”
On May 27, 2010, there were two similar records for Jesus in New FamilySearch which had been submitted by the same person. One listing was titled “Jesus Christian,” and showed “Jesus Christian” was born “before 1500 Bethlehem, Israel,” and died “before 1550 Jerusalem, Israel.” LDS ordinances were tagged as “Not available” on this record. The other entry was for “Jesus Cristian,” who was born “before 1502 Bethlehem, Israel,” and died “before 1539 Jerusalem, Israel.” The entry for “Jesus Cristian” gave a description of LDS ordinances, along with the name of a spouse—“Maria Magdelena.”
“Jesus Cristian” was baptized and confirmed a member of the LDS Church by proxy on April 8, 2010 in the “Salt Lake City Utah Temple.” “Jesus Cristian” was also subjected to initiatory temple ordinances on April 8, 2010; an endowment ceremony on April 9, 2010; and a marriage “sealing” to “spouse” “Maria Magdelena” on April 9, 2010—all rites occurred in the “Salt Lake City Utah Temple.”
It appears the submissions for “Jesus Christian,” and “Jesus Cristian” were attempts to manipulate the identity of Jesus Christ through the LDS temple system. The misspelled “Cristian,” instead of “Christian,” could have been a typo, or a deliberate error. It may have been intentionally entered as “Cristian” to get around a computer program that automatically blocks submissions that contain the names “Jesus Christ.” That would explain why the entry for “Jesus Christian” shows LDS ordinances as “Not available.”
While both New FamilySearch records in question lack complete birth and death data, and give imprecise “before” years of these events—the first name “Jesus” combined with the surnames “Christian” and “Cristian” (both spins on the name of “Christ”) are signs that “Jesus Christian” and “Jesus Cristian” are pseudonyms for Jesus Christ.
Other indicators on the New FamilySearch records that point to Jesus Christ are the birth place, “Bethlehem,” and the death location, “Jerusalem.” (Jesus Christ was born in Bethlehem and died outside the walls of old Jerusalem.) Another clue to the identity of “Jesus Cristian” is the name of his “spouse”—“Maria Magdelena,” a misspelled variant of Mary Magdalene. “Maria Magdelena” is not listed on the “Jesus Christian” record.
Because “Jesus Christian” and “Jesus Cristian” have similar names and identical birth and death locations—“Bethlehem” and “Jerusalem,” they are probably the same person. Their birth and death years are similar, but not the same. The estimated dates listed for these events look like they have been fabricated. According to their New FamilySearch records, “Jesus Christian” and “Jesus Cristian” were born and died in the 16th century. “Jesus Christian” lived roughly 50 years, while “Jesus Cristian” died in his thirties.
On May 27, 2010, “Maria Magdelena” was listed in New FamilySearch with her birth date as “1504 Israel,” and death date as “before 1540 Israel.” Both years are likely inventions. Along with “spouse” “Jesus Cristian,” “Maria Magdelena” was baptized and confirmed a member of the LDS Church by proxy on April 8, 2010 in the “Salt Lake City Utah Temple.” She was subjected to initiatory temple ordinances on April 8, 2010; an endowment ceremony on April 9, 2010; and the marriage “sealing” to “Jesus Cristian” on April 9, 2010—all rites were done in the “Salt Lake City Utah Temple.”
Mary Magdalene is described in the New Testament as a faithful follower of Jesus. Because the concept of marriage is strongly emphasized in LDS teachings, the notion that a spousal relationship existed between Jesus and Mary Magdalene is common among Mormons—although that belief is not formal LDS doctrine. There is no reliable historical evidence to indicate that Jesus was married—to Mary Magdalene, or anyone else.
LDS Church officials have publicly stated that the New FamilySearch program is a technological deterrent to improper submissions. Yet—under their very noses—on Temple Square in Salt Lake City, Jesus Christ—under a false name—two millennia after his birth, was offered Mormon salvation and an erroneous eternal marriage sealing.
Sometime late in the day on May 27, 2010, the individual entries for “Jesus Cristian” and “Maria Magdelena” were scrubbed from New FamilySearch—concealing the evidence that LDS rites had recently been performed for these two names in the Salt Lake Temple. The sudden disappearance of these records is a strong indication that “Jesus Cristian” and “Maria Magdelena” represent Jesus Christ and Mary Magdalene.
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We can hear you, you know (sob)
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“Before 1502”?
That seems an unlikely way to express someone who was born more than 1500 years before 1502.
I suspect it is a computer program limitation.
Again given what passes for accuracy on the LDS...
1502? I could see if it were listed as 1500. But who designs a computer system that cannot count back before 1502?
(That’s almost as silly as designing one that cannot count back before 1970. ;^) )
I have no idea. The old PAF program (LDS genealogy program) limited dates to like 1546 or some similar odd date, so I wouldn’t be surprised.
Well, I hate to disagree, Colo, but the threads on Catholic/Protestant get pretty heated on occasion. Lots of doctrines get examined and/or ridiculed, and posters can take it personally. However, most admit (following their respective denominations' teachings) that other Christians are also saved through Christ.
That is because the denominations agree on what "saved" means, and what "Christ" means. OTOH, Mormons get miffed when Christians won't agree to the special Mormon meanings of common words. Maybe that's why Romney can claim to be for socialized medicine and the conservative champion at the same time: it all depends on the definitions, you see...
Allowing to make the claims for 180 years without challenging them has resulted in FReepers who are ignorant of the blasphemy to "feel their pain" without seeing the hatred of Christianity that was the foundation of the sect.
Yep, my statement was meant to say it is one (of the) religions that is examined. Read my statement again, I think you might agree with me since I didn’t say “it is THE one religion...,” I said, “it is one religion THAT is examined.”
You are right, many religions (perhaps all) are examined in the Religion Forum.
Yeah...
Like the Book of MORMON.
Yes; now todays prayers are for you to do the same.
WHEN will you ANTIs EVER get it??
We do not NEED any PROOF; we make assertions that are known to be true!
--MormonDude(And don't you forget it!)
No; they will IGNORE it, just like they do NOW for things we bring up.
Such whistling past the graveyard gets old after a while, but the New Lurkers seem to get the picture.
If FR Mormons are any example; they'd recoil and say "How DARE you try to state what we believe!"
And then they'd not say a THING about it.
Babe, CC wasn’t stating that Mormonism was the ONLY religion examined but that it was one of many that were.
Maybe that’s why Romney can claim to be for socialized medicine and the conservative champion at the same time: it all depends on the definitions, you see...
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Good point about Romney. It makes a lot of sense if you look at it from the Mormon tendency to redefine things as they see fit.
Ok, well I’m not going to argue with that. Those kind of antics irritate me too. I didn’t read her post that way, but I’ve also been speed-skimming through a lot of this discussion.
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