Posted on 06/02/2010 10:15:04 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator
SYDNEY - New Zealand last week banned shechita, the kosher slaughter of animals.
The country's new animal welfare code, which took effect Friday, mandates that all animals for commercial consumption be stunned prior to slaughter to ensure they are treated "humanely and in accordance with good practice and scientific knowledge."
The regulation shocked the Jewish community.
"This decision by the New Zealand government, one which has a Jewish prime minister, is outrageous," said Rabbi Moshe Gutnick, acting president of the Organization of Rabbis of Australasia. Advertisement
"We will be doing everything possible to get this decision reversed."
Gutnick, who travels frequently to New Zealand to oversee shechita, added, "One of the last countries I would have expected to bring in this blatantly discriminatory action would have been New Zealand."
David Zwartz, the chairman of the Wellington Jewish Council, agreed. "I am sure there will objections made that this action is an infringement of the right of Jews to observe their religion," he said.
Agriculture Minister David Carter rejected a recommendation that shechita be exempt from the new code.
The National Animal Welfare Advisory Committee did recommend a dispensation for kosher slaughter in 2001, but the new code does not allow any exemptions.
Among other countries that have banned shechita are Iceland, Norway and Sweden. (JTA)
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I seem to remember reading somewhere that when an animal is killed for kosher meat, it can’t feel any pain. If it does, the meat can’t be considered kosher. Not being Jewish, I welcome better-informed input. I do know that halal meat must be made to bleed before it is killed, and by definition it has to feel pain.
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It doesn't matter whether the animal feels pain or not. Shechitah is commanded by A-mighty G-d before Jews can eat meat of land mammals and birds; without it they cannot eat those foods.
Unfortunately, the "official Jewish leadership" forgot a long time ago that Judaism is a Theocratic religion in the truest sense of the word. "Official Jewish leaders" (including Orthodox, G-d help us) only know one defense of observing G-d-ordained mitzvot--the eighteenth century language of Locke and Voltaire, of "rights," "discrimination," "democracy," and "pluralism." This means that it comes down to the rights of Jews vs. the "rights" of the animals.
Why can't the Jewish community get the past three centuries of poison and pollution out of its head? Why can't it stop talking like Thomas Jefferson and start talking like Moses? What will it take to move the practitioners of a three thousand year old religion to remember that most of Jewish history transpired before Barukh Spinoza?
I'm sorry about spouting off like this but, dang it, I'm tired of it. Judaism is a Theocratic, statutory religion and contrary to the popular belief of both Jews and non-Jews does not blend well with modern political theories (other than perhaps its utter lack of an inherited nobility or aristocracy other than the king). Why do right wing Catholics sound more like Moses than "Jewish leaders" do? Where is the Jewish "society of st. pius x?"
This situation in New Zealand is an excellent opportunity. Instead of using non-Jewish governments and political theories the Jews of New Zealand should declare their independence as a sovereign, self-governing Theocratic entity governed by Halakhah. The muzzies do this all the time; why can't Jews???
Because it has as many citizens as Los Angeles has illegal immigrants, New Zealand is desperate to be embraced by the ultra cool international community. They are usually the first ones to join any alliance or adopt any new “modern” policy that will endear them to the EU or UN.
I don't have a "list." I type in names individually from memory.
Does this mean you want to be added to my Torah readings list as well? And yes, I have to do the same thing with it.
I seem to remember reading somewhere that when an animal is killed for kosher meat, it can’t feel any pain.
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Research what happened at Masada...
This form of slaughter was taught to the heads of the families so that they could kill their wives and children painlessly...
The Romans were about to capture them all and they would have been tortured and killed anyway...
“I seem to remember reading somewhere that when an animal is killed for kosher meat, it can’t feel any pain. If it does, the meat can’t be considered kosher.”
That’s correct. The entire process of kosher slaughter is designed to make the animal die as fast as possible (generally a throat cut).
All sorts of regulations regarding knife sharpness, etc.
The animal is bled out; this is common among modern non-Jewish Western slaughter houses, as well -— I don’t know specifically, but I understand there is a Christian prohibition against eating or drinking blood of animals, similar to the the Jewish prohibition, from the Noahadic tradition.
Make a list, use semi-colons, save it on your home page.
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I'll see what I can do.
What about it, JB? Wanna be the Jewish (lehavdil) "Marcel Lefebvre?"
Thank you. I may be born and bred Catholic, but have a number of Jewish neighbors who keep kosher (this is one of the few places in the world where one can find kosher hot cross buns at Easter) and this was never explained. I'm sorry that New Zealand is short-sighted in this way.
“Why do right wing Catholics sound more like Moses than “Jewish leaders” do? Where is the Jewish “society of st. pius x?”
I would suggest being very careful comparing idol worshipers to Moshe Rabbeinu. I do understand your frustration though.
With all the anti-semitism, Israel-hating, Jew bashing, threats of annihilation I always refer to this: “In those days, when ten men of all the languages of the nations shall take hold of the corners of the garment of a Jewish man, saying, ‘Let us go with you, for we have heard that G d is with you.’”
“Why do right wing Catholics sound more like Moses than “Jewish leaders” do? Where is the Jewish “society of st. pius x?”
I would suggest being very careful comparing idol worshipers to Moshe Rabbeinu. I do understand your frustration though.
My bad for omitting the word lehavdil. But all the same, I don't think Mosheh Rabbenu would have said anything about "intolerance" or "bigotry" when annihilating `Og or Sihon's armies.
With all the anti-semitism, Israel-hating, Jew bashing, threats of annihilation I always refer to this: “In those days, when ten men of all the languages of the nations shall take hold of the corners of the garment of a Jewish man, saying, ‘Let us go with you, for we have heard that G d is with you.’”
For the first time in centuries Jews live in a country where they could proselytize for the Noachide Laws without being penalized for it, and what has happened? The ideology of the eighteenth century seems to have completely supplanted everything from the 54 preceding centuries to the extent that even Charedim can't explain Jewish concerns without speaking the language of contemporary liberal, secular, ethnic politics.
JTA ran an article acknowledging Jewish History Month and G-d was not mentioned once. Instead it was Jonas Salk and Julius Rosenwald. That's what American Jewish history has been reduced to.
We evil bigoted rednecks have a phrase I wish "Jewish leaders" would learn: "Koh 'amar HaShem." It might come in handier one day than even Thomas Jefferson or the First Amendment.
Reason, a most valuable human faculty.
I would like to suggest that a couple of them volunteer for an experiment...lots of it...maybe five-years?
Mass murder fantasies. How inhuman!
Halacha requires the most humane method.
NZ is humane the way the flotilla was humane.
However, it forbids (as I understand it) the stunning of the animal prior to slaughter.
Yes, shechitah is very humane. But that is not its main purpose. Its purpose is to render meat holy and permitted for Jewish consumption. The humaneness is secondary.
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