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To: Leoni
Not one single heretic "gets a pass".

I would agree with you on that one. God is the final judge and arbiter and He feels pretty strongly about false religious systems. But you apparently missed my attempts at sarcasm. I wasn't referring to what literally happens to all heretics. I was referring to the ignored sin within the Catholic Church and its own contradictory dogmas.

....“Cantate Domino,” 1441, ex cathedra:....

Has absolutely NO authority to judge salvation or eternal destination. This is the guy who is the sole source on that one:

John 14:6 - I [Christ] am the way, the truth, AND THE LIFE, and no man comes to the Father, BUT BY ME [Christ].

Acts 4:12 - And there is salvation IN NO ONE ELSE [Christ],for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved."

John 10:9 - I am the door; if anyone enters through Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture.

Romans 10:13 - for "WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED."

Matthew 18:19-20 - Again I say to you, that if two of you agree on earth about anything that they may ask, it shall be done for them by My Father who is in heaven. 20"For where two or three have gathered together in My name, I am there in their midst."

Christ Himself is the final judge - NOT Popes, unbiblical councils or decrees. Matthew 18:19-20 points towards the TRUE Church. Its people gathered together who believe on HIS NAME, and Christ promises HE IS THERE in their midst. The TRUE CHURCH has always been individual believers gathered together in the Name of Christ however few or large in number.

384 posted on 06/03/2010 6:48:19 AM PDT by conservativegramma
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To: conservativegramma; Leoni
Christ Himself is the final judge - NOT Popes, unbiblical councils or decrees.

I'm sorry, but no one disagrees with you and NO ONE said that.

Matthew 18:19-20 - Again I say to you, that if two of you agree on earth about anything that they may ask, it shall be done for them by My Father who is in heaven. 20"For where two or three have gathered together in My name, I am there in their midst."

Matthew 18 points out a good way of praying and when Christ is with us. It does not talk about the wider community of believers that is The Church. Two and three Christians together DO have Christ with them, but that does not answer the question of the wider community.

This excerpt, in contrast talks AGAINST individual believers ("2/3 gathered in my name") and against individual interpretation and prayer. The community of Christ is a community, a Church of believers stretching back 2000 years.

Depending on which denomination i.e. non-Church grouping you belong to, I have no compunction in calling you a part of the community of believers (I do not, IMHO, include Mormons in this Christian community)
424 posted on 06/03/2010 7:35:21 AM PDT by Cronos (Origen(200AD)"The Church received from theApostles the tradition of giving Baptism even to infants")
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