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Catholics reach back to church tradition
The Australian ^ | May 22, 2010 | Tess Livingstone

Posted on 05/24/2010 4:37:47 AM PDT by GonzoII

A NEW translation of the mass soon to be celebrated by more than 100 million English-speaking Catholics reaches back to church tradition, replacing the more colloquial and dumbed-down liturgy that was adopted by the Vatican 40 years ago.

The Weekend Australian today provides an exclusive and comprehensive preview of the changes, which are the biggest revision since Pope Paul VI approved the current Roman Missal in 1969 after the Second Vatican Council. In style, the new translation of the mass is reverential and traditional, restoring emphasis on the transcendent and the sacred, and replacing words such as "happy" with "blessed" and phrases such as "this is" with "behold".

It revives a classical style of liturgical language rarely heard for 40 years, using such words and phrases as: oblation, implore, consubstantial, serene and kindly countenance, spotless victim, divine majesty, holy and venerable, and "command that these gifts be borne by the hands of your holy Angel to your altar on high".

Cardinal George Pell said the new mass had a "different cadence" to the translation of the Roman Missal that two generations of Australian Catholics grew up with, and which was a "bit dumbed-down".

"The previous translators seemed a bit embarrassed to refer to angels, sacrifice and perpetual virginity," Australia's senior Catholic cleric said.

"They went softly on sin and redemption."

(Excerpt) Read more at theaustralian.com.au ...


TOPICS: Catholic; History; Ministry/Outreach; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: catholic; liturgy
"She said the new translation of the mass was close to Pope Benedict's heart. He has complained about 'sacro-pop' and 'emotional primitivism' in liturgy, and said everything associated with the Eucharist must be marked by beauty.""

Amen.

1 posted on 05/24/2010 4:37:47 AM PDT by GonzoII
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To: GonzoII
It can't come soon enough for me!

Lamh Foistenach Abu!
2 posted on 05/24/2010 4:42:55 AM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines, RVN '69 - St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle!)
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To: ConorMacNessa
The Anglican Book of Common Prayer 1928 set the bar years ago. You can't have a better service than that :-)

The only opportunity a bona fide catholic can have to experience the 1928 service is to attend the anglican rite churches that are converting en masse to the RC fold.

Be warned though, the 1928 service is more somber, 20 minutes longer and more heartfelt than the current RC liturgy.

3 posted on 05/24/2010 4:59:28 AM PDT by x_plus_one (Luke 22:36 ......and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.....)
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To: x_plus_one
An hour and a half? I'll have to give it a try if I can find one in my area.

Lamh Foistenach Abu!
4 posted on 05/24/2010 5:02:45 AM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines, RVN '69 - St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle!)
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To: GonzoII

Wonder how soon new missals will be available. I’ve been looking forward to this.


5 posted on 05/24/2010 5:27:32 AM PDT by Graing ("The power of wind, fire... all that kind of thing")
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To: Graing

The word is Advent 2011.


6 posted on 05/24/2010 5:36:07 AM PDT by GonzoII ("That they may be one...Father")
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To: x_plus_one

I attended mass yesterday at an Anglican church - my wife’s old parish. The Anglicans do a lot more kneeling than we Catholics do, but apart from some cutting and pasting, the liturgies are very close. I am just as comfortable at the Anglican church as I am in my own Roman Catholic parish. In the Anglican parish here, there are only two services, and I doubt if there are 150 persons all told. At my RC parish there are several hundred worshippers each at the six masses.


7 posted on 05/24/2010 5:36:20 AM PDT by Ax
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To: Graing

The new missals are already being worked on. They will be out in the late summer/early fall of 2011. That way people have time to get used to them before the beginning of Advent. Be careful buying the first ones published, however. Companies will rush missals to market and those first ones might contain editing errors.


8 posted on 05/24/2010 5:44:34 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
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To: vladimir998; GonzoII

Good point, the first run will probably have some bugs. I’ll have to be patient, something I am not at all good at.


9 posted on 05/24/2010 6:39:51 AM PDT by Graing ("The power of wind, fire... all that kind of thing")
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To: Graing

Me either!

I suppose, however, that the Daily Roman Missal (a joint project now between Our Sunday Visitor and MTF) and the usual publications of Catholic Book Publishing will get it right early on.

There are some odd things yet to be decided. Children’s Masses - according to a speaker I heard at regional new Roman Missal conference - they do not appear in the latest edition of the Latin typica edition. That might mean no more Masses for children. Some DREs are freaking out about that already!


10 posted on 05/24/2010 6:47:29 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
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To: vladimir998
Children’s Masses - according to a speaker I heard at regional new Roman Missal conference - they do not appear in the latest edition of the Latin typica edition.

Good. The so-called "Childrens' Masses" are dumbed-down and mistranslated even beyond the usual "translation". They're a disservice to he children at whom they are targeted, and an insult to all parties involved.

11 posted on 05/24/2010 6:51:12 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

That’s how I look at it. Children should be raised up to the liturgy (so should adults!) not the liturgy brought down to kids.


12 posted on 05/24/2010 6:58:14 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
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To: vladimir998

Folks have forgotten what Liturgy is all about.

It’s not about us.

It’s about God.


13 posted on 05/24/2010 7:01:57 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: GonzoII
Translations discussed in some of these links.

Catholics reach back to church tradition
Truth in the New Translation Series # 4: The Hanc Igitur of the Roman Canon

Bishop Tobin: Get Ready – The Mass is About to Change
The Introductory Rites: No mere greeting
The New Missal: Disaster or Opportunity?
Truth in the New Translation Series #3: The Communicantes of the Roman Canon
The New Missal: Disaster or Opportunity?
Blue Liturgical Vestments (and more on Paschal Candles)
The Future Liturgy of an Anglican Ordinariate: Why not Sarum?
Worship: Entertainment vs. Liturgy (open)
More Reflections on Liturgical Language [Anglo-Catholic Perspective on Latin vs Vernacular Debate]
Helping American Catholics Learn the New Missal

Pope receives copy of complete English translation of Roman Missal
[Catholic Caucus] Prayer and Belief [Pope Benedict targets abuses in the liturgy]
Pope hopes English translation of Missal will be 'springboard for a renewal'
New Mass Translation Given Rome's Approval
Prayer, Magic, Superstition and the Mediaeval Liturgy
The Old Mass Returns
Live Thread: Pontifical High Mass, National Shrine of the Immaculate Conception (Ecumenical)
The Coptic Orthodox Divine Liturgy (for those interested in comparative liturgies)
Card. Castrillon-Hoyos Out At Latin Mass - Breaking
44% of Germans Want the Old Mass

Pope Benedict uses older ritual for his private Mass
Interesting Liturgical Commentaries from the Office for Liturgical Celebrations of Supreme Pontiff
Putting Flesh on the Word “Catholic” — Easter Mass in Bali, Indonesia
Easter Mass becomes papal pep rally in Rome
Catholic Mass revisions launch war of words
"Let Us Live With Him! Let Us Learn From Him!" (Pope's homily at the Mass of the Lord's Supper)
THE PRIEST IN THE COMMUNION RITES - Liturgy Prepares for Reception of the Eucharist
All Should Offer Their Bodies and Blood at Mass (Father Cantalamessa) [Catholic Caucus]
Can't the Holy Father Just Make the Liturgical Reform Happen?
Pope wants crucifix at the centre of ALL westward-facing altars during Mass

Benedict XVI's "Novel" Traditions
Telling Time By the Catholic Church
Good Hymns, Bad Hymns
Order of the Mass (New Translation Catechesis Part I)(Catholic Caucus)
Open Ears, Open Heart (Preparing to Receive the Liturgy of the Word each Sunday)
Effort to stop new liturgical translations at USCCB meeting fails
Church Awaits Word on Liturgical Reform
Vatican Denies Liturgical Reform Reports
(Cardinal) Newman on Rites and Ceremonies
Explains The Supreme Importance Of The Liturgy

Altar Card for the Modern Roman Liturgy
Slating the Chairs (USCCB prepares for its November plenary session)
Mass appeal: "It's like Jolt Cola for the Soul" [Catholic Caucus]
All Four Pending Liturgical Items Pass; Work On The Translation Of The New Roman Missal Continues
WHERE THE PRIEST SHOULD BEGIN MASS
GUIDELINES FOR THE PUBLICATION OF LITURGICAL BOOKS [New Missal] (Long)
AND WITH YOUR SPIRIT, Et cum spiritu tuo, (New Missal liturgical translations)
The New Missal - Historic Moment in Liturgical Renewal [Bishop Serratelli]
Know Him in the Breaking of Bread - A Guide to the Mass
Vatican liturgical official makes new plea for 'reform of the reform'

Liturgical Vestments (and prayers the priest says while vesting for Mass)
Vestments… Tools of the Liturgical Trade! [Ecumenical]
The (Catholic) Mass (as explained by a youth for Evangelical friends) [Ecumenical]
What the Catholic Mass means to converts
The "Old" Liturgical Movement: 1947 "Benedictine" Arrangement [Catholic Caucus]
Good News for the [Catholic] Liturgy
'An Ordinance Forever' - The Biblical Origins of the Mass [Ecumenical]
The Sacrifice of the Mass: Liturgical Vestments
What Do You See at (Catholic) Mass?
Purification of Sacred Vessels in U.S. (and more on the Purification of our Lord)

Tyranny of Words (Catholic liturgy - NO vs. TLM)
Mass should be enlightening and elevating, not a cookie cutter ritual
What You {Catholics} Need to Know: Mass (Sacred Liturgy) [Catholic/Orthodox Caucus]
"The Catholic Mass ... Revealed"
The Battle Over the Mass [Catholic Caucus]
Scriptural Basis of the Mass as Sacrifice (Where is that in the Bible?)
Giving to God in Mass [Liturgy of the Eucharist]
Liturgy, Learning and the Language of the Catholic Faith
Cardinal Arinze's Mass Etiquette 101
Prostration and Vestments on Good Friday And More on the Precious Blood

Catholic Liturgy - Funeral Masses for a Suicide And More on Confession for RCIA Candidates
The Most Holy Sacrifice of the Mass - A Primer for Clueless Catholics (Part 1)
The Orthodox Divine Liturgy, the Roman Catholic Mass and the Anglican Eucharist...
Catholic Liturgy - Dramatic Readings at Mass (And More on Processions, and Extra Hosts)
Catholic Liturgy - Mass Intentions
Catholic Liturgy - Pre-recorded Music at Mass And More on Communion Services
Vatican: Matters to be observed or to be avoided regarding the Most Holy Eucharist (April 23, 2004)
POPE ISSUES APOSTOLIC LETTER ON THE SACRED LITURGY
Liturgy: Are Glass Chalices OK for Mass?
EUCHARIST: HOLY MEAL

14 posted on 05/24/2010 8:55:36 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: vladimir998

Children can learn the real words of the real Mass. No children’s Masses are needed.


15 posted on 05/24/2010 9:00:35 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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