Posted on 05/10/2010 8:16:49 PM PDT by delacoert
Nope, is the answer.
“Is the Mormon God the Christian God? “
OF COURSE NOT!
“Hear O’ Israel! The Lord Your God is One God!”
“Hear O’ Mormons, You have an Infinite Number of gods!”
For that reason alone, mormonism is not Christian. Circles are not triangles.
(1) he seeks to distance “official Mormonism” from the “non-official” statements of past Mormon leaders; and
(2) he seeks to represent the creeds of the church as pagan philosophical impositions upon biblical Christianity
These views are almost identical to what we read on FR from those who are or defend LDS.
A What was said in the past by our leaders doesn't matter unless we say it matters.
B We are better and more righteous than anyone calling themselves Christians because we are the only true christians. Why because the leaders from the past said so, even though we don't accept what they say anymore unless it benefits us today.
I’m a Mormon.
So I think your answer is correct. Your God is definitely different from mine. Yours is mean, small, petty, condemning and puny.
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Our Jesus that threw Lucifer out of Heaven...
But it wasnt our Jesus that threw you out of Heaven...
It was your jesus that did that to you...
FAIR- just another anti Christian organization thriving on propaganda.
Where does the mormon corporation get their money? From scams like “tithing” “temple memberships” businesses, real estate, malls, newspapers, pornography, insurance companies, etc..
Mormonism: Tithing
3. “Tithing” was an Old Testament principle (Mal. 3:8-10) which has merit in the New Testament dispensation (Matt. 23:23). However, tithing was not instituted as a saving principle as LDS believe. Brigham Young said, “The law of tithing is an eternal law... that God has instituted for the benefit of the human family, or their salvation and exaltation (Deseret News, “Church News,” July 20, 1968, p. 14). D. & C. 64:23 also says, “He that is tithed shall not be burned at His coming.” Thus the LDS Church is among the churches that the B. of M. warns about when it says, “Yea, it shall come in a day when there shall be churches built up that say: Come unto me, and for your money you shall be forgiven of your sins” (Mormon 8:32). Yet, LDS often boast that they serve unpaid while ministers in other churches are “hirelings,” who minister just for all the money they get by passing an offering plate. If ministers want to get rich, they are in the wrong profession, because ministry is often one of the lowest paid professions. A lot of ministers also work many more hours each week than those in secular jobs! But, it is not unspiritual for ministers to receive wages as LDS often claim. While the Apostle Paul was a tentmaker (Acts 18:3) and supported himself that way sometimes, he also said, “I robbed other churches taking wages of them, to do you service” (I Cor. 11:8; 9:6-14).
Even LDS President Joseph F. Smith said of LDS leaders who are paid a salary, “These men, whose whole time is occupied in ministry, are only drawing their necessary support from the church. They must have that - the laborer is worthy of his hire” (G.D., p. 291). The D. & C. teaches the same thing in Sections 70:12, 42:71-73. But, an official LDS promotional book claims, “There is no paid or professional ministry. Thirty-two general officers and the presidents of missions are given living allowances. Add to this a few specialists and a staff of clerks who give their full working time to the church. These constitute all who may be classified as paid personnel” (What of the Mormons, pp. 17-18). An LDS missionary, his family or some Priesthood quorum usually contribute to the LDS church what it costs for him (or her) to serve his mission. Funds were sent directly to the missionary until recently when the IRS would not allow such funds to be counted as “contributions” to a church. So, now the funds are sent through the LDS Church. Missionary support is not counted as “tithes.”
Where is the LDS tithe money spent? President Joseph F. Smith said, “Thousands of dollars are being expended to feed and clothe the poor, and to take care of those who are dependent upon the church. They look to their mother for succor and support, and it is right and proper that the church should provide for its own poor and indigent, feeble and helpless, so far as it is possible” (G.D., p. 291). But, if the tithe is spent on the poor, why is a “Fast Tithe” collected the first Sunday of each month to help the poor? In addition, the famous Mormon “Welfare Program” requires a contribution of considerable time and money above the tithe to take care of the needy. The ladies “Relief Society” was also set up for the purpose of helping the poor. With all the LDS collections for the poor and needy, why has Utah, which is around 75% Mormon, consistently had a larger percentage of people on government relief than the national average? Something is wrong! Either Utah has too many poor, needy people, or all the money collected for the poor is not getting to them!
The LDS Church does not publish an annual report of its income and expenses, and it will not open its financial records for examination. While they build some beautiful buildings, the local “wards” or churches are charged by the LDS church headquarters in addition to their tithes for much of that expense. Utah Holiday Magazine reported on March 22, 1976, that the daily income of the LDS Church was $3,000,000 (p. 4-11). Since then the church has more than doubled its membership, which has also increased its income.
Much of LDS tithe money is invested in land and business. Some of the nation’s largest farms, ranches, and orchards are LDS Church-owned. They have large investments in hotels, department stores, insurance companies, newspapers, television and radio stations, canning companies, sugar companies, and so on. The General Authorities of the LDS Church served on the boards of these companies until 1996 and received salaries from them plus their “living allowances” paid directly by the Church. Thus, LDS leaders are all wealthy indirectly from the tithes paid by Church members! (For further information on LDS business involvement, see The Mormon Corporate Empire by John Heinerman and Anson Shupe, Beacon Press).
( Marvin W. Cowan Mormon Claims Answered (1997 version) Chapter 8 Salvation: Keep the Commandments, 4. Tithing)
So in summary:
tithe is necessary for salvation
tithe helps our own
tithe can be used for whatever the leaders say is necessary without question or over sight by the tither
WOW just WOW
Since these men live lavish lifestyles, I wonder how much that allowance really is. At the same time they (LDS) mock pastors who don't live lavish lifestyles (yea I know a few do, most don't) but serve the One True God.
President Joseph F. Smith said, “Thousands of dollars are being expended to feed and clothe the poor, and to take care of those who are dependent upon the church.
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However MILLIONS are taken in each day as tithes...
So you can see that the “tithes” are taken up fraudulently...
“The LDS church takes in well over 14 million dollars PER DAY in tithing, which amounts to OVER 5 BILLION DOLLARS PER YEAR (these were estimates from nearly ten years ago, so they are likely higher now).” (2005)
“So you don’t care that mormon apologist Robinson cannot accurately follow smith’s teachings? Or are you unwilling to face the fact that all mormon doctrine is simply the opinion of the speaker at that time.”
So true, Smith couldn’t follow his own teachings!
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“Is the Mormon God the Christian God? “
OF COURSE NOT!
“Hear O’ Israel! The Lord Your God is One God!”
“Hear O’ Mormons, You have an Infinite Number of gods!”
For that reason alone, mormonism is not Christian. Circles are not triangles.”
Amen!
Christinaty = one God
Mormonism = many gods
What did Satan tell Eve in the garden? “You will be like God” What did Satan say to himself? “I will be like the Most High”
Brilliant point!
“I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is not true.”
17 It no sooner appeared than I found myself delivered from the enemy which held me bound. When the light rested upon me I saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other—This is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!
18 My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)—and which I should join.
19 I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: “they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.”
20 He again forbade me to join with any of them; and many other things did he say unto me, which I cannot write at this time. When I came to myself again, I found myself lying on my back, looking up into heaven. When the light had departed, I had no strength; but soon recovering in some degree, I went home. And as I leaned up to the fireplace, mother inquired what the matter was. I replied, “Never mind, all is well—I am well enough off.” I then said to my mother,
Joseph Smith continues: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price, Joseph Smith-History 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses, 18:172).President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses, 10:127).James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses, vol. 2, p.196).
I predict:
Sandy will NOT be able to illustrate a LIE she has found in the article.
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