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[OPEN THREAD] Jobless, non-religious teachers to turn Catholicism in attempt for employment
The Globe and Mail ^ | May. 09, 2010 | Ciara Byrne

Posted on 05/10/2010 11:53:16 AM PDT by Alex Murphy

Unemployed, non-religious educators are turning to Catholicism in an attempt to secure a coveted teaching position, even it means lying in confession about whether they've had pre-marital sex, some have revealed.

“I don't particularly like going (to mass) every Sunday, but if this is what I have to do, then I'll do it,” said a Toronto-area woman, who didn't want to be identified.

“I just really want to be in a career. I just want it so badly.”

The teacher said she has also been going to confession regularly and speaking with a priest on a weekly basis in order to receive the documents she needs to apply to the Toronto Catholic District School Board.

She is not Catholic. In fact, she doesn't consider herself religious.

The oversupply of qualified, unemployed teachers in Ontario has been a well-documented problem. According to the Ontario College of Teachers, there were about 12,200 new teachers in the province in 2009, but only about 5,000 positions.

“What you can see, fairly quickly, is you have twice as many teachers as you do job opportunities and that has been going on for a number of years now,” said Frank McIntyre, a researcher for the college, who added the gap has been accelerating since 2005.

“We're getting a backlog of qualified teachers who are not able to get teaching jobs.”

This has left teachers desperate, so they've decided to cast their net wide.

“You feel really helpless,” said the teacher. “I thought, why not try this option. It was kind of out of desperation... not that I think it will work for sure, but it's to have another option.”

The teacher said she has read about the sacraments in a catechism book and has performed religious rituals.

During her first confession, she crept into a dark

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The oversupply of qualified, unemployed teachers in Ontario has been a well-documented problem. According to the Ontario College of Teachers, there were about 12,200 new teachers in the province in 2009, but only about 5,000 positions....

....“I haven't gone for my, um, what do you call it the bread thing yet...Communion. I'm nervous about it,” she added.

Even some non-practising Catholics have said they are returning to the church — trying to wriggle their way into the Catholic board....Under the rules for the Toronto Catholic District School Board, all teaching personnel and others who work directly with children need to be Catholic.

Related thread:
Catholic schools want your tax dollars. Real bad.....

Under current provincial law, when a person moves, the address he/ she moves from automatically reverts to a public school-supporting ratepayer. And the address he/ she moves to doesn't become designated as a Catholic school supporter unless the occupant fills out a form to change it. It's commonly called the default mechanism. "Because of the default mechanism, those numbers [of Catholic ratepayers] continue to decline," said John Stadnyk, the Huron-Superior board's director of education....the number of Catholic ratepayers in their jurisdiction determines the number of trustees who can be elected....


1 posted on 05/10/2010 11:53:16 AM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: Alex Murphy

You should’ve made this a Protestant Caucus thread. Haha.

SnakeDoc


2 posted on 05/10/2010 11:56:43 AM PDT by SnakeDoctor ("The world will know that free men stood against a tyrant [...] that even a god-king can bleed.")
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To: Alex Murphy
Unemployed, non-religious educators are turning to Catholicism in an attempt to secure a coveted teaching position, even it means lying in confession about whether they've had pre-marital sex, some have revealed . . . "I haven't gone for my, um, what do you call it the bread thing yet...Communion. I'm nervous about it"

I'd like to hope that those who turn to the church for other reasons would stay for the grace and the goodness, but I have my doubts when it's done from a position this dishonest. I have no problem with Jewish teachers who are really Jewish teaching my children, but if someone lies in confession and takes communion thinking it's just "the bread thing", I don't want them around my children.

3 posted on 05/10/2010 12:10:37 PM PDT by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: SnakeDoctor; Alex Murphy; Salvation; narses; A.A. Cunningham; NYer
“You should’ve made this a Protestant Caucus thread. Haha.”

How 'bout a "Protestant Caucus thread" regarding all the sexual abuse cases in Protestant churches..you two clowns can look over these stats and have a real good “Haha”...funny I don't ever recall little ms. murphy ever posting all the sexual abuses by Protestants which just so happen to outnumber those in the Catholic church...laugh that one off "snake"...

A look at abuse data in Protestant churches

June 14, 2007, Seattle Post-Intelligencer

By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

A look at reports of sex abuse of minors from three companies that together insure the majority of U.S. Protestant churches.


Church Mutual Insurance Co.

- Total number of clients insured: 96,000

- Number of churches-worship centers insured: 95,000

- Number of other religious groups insured: 1,000

- Top five denominations insured: United Methodist - 10,000 churches; Southern Baptist - 9,600 churches; Assemblies of God, - 4,000 churches; Evangelical Lutheran Church in America - 3,300 churches; Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod - 2,600 churches.

- Reports on sex abuse of minors: Company has received an average of about 100 reports a year alleging child sex abuse over the past decade.

- Other sexual misconduct: Company has received an average of about 100 reports a year alleging other sexual misconduct over the past decade.

- Total amount in claims paid: Declined to release because company deems figure proprietary information.


GuideOne Insurance Co.

- Total number of clients insured: 45,000

- Number of churches-worship centers insured: 43,495

- Number of other religious groups insured: 1,505

- Top five denominations insured: Baptist (all types) - 10,922 churches; Presbyterian- 2,812 churches; Lutheran- 2,665 churches; Methodist - 1,742 churches; Disciples of Christ/Christian Church of America - 1,391 churches.

- Reports on sex abuse of minors: Company has received an average of about 160 reports of child sex abuse a year for the past two decades.

- Other sexual misconduct: Company has received an average of about 40 reports of sexual misconduct each year for the past two decades.

- Total amount in claims paid: Over the last five years, GuideOne has averaged approximately $4 million per year in child sex abuse and sexual misconduct settlements, excluding attorney fees.


Brotherhood Mutual Insurance Co.

- Total number of clients insured: 30,000

- Number of churches-worship centers insured: 27,000

- Number of other religious groups insured: 3,000

- Top five denominations insured: Southern Baptists - 4,000 churches; Assemblies of God - 2,300 churches;

- Non-denominational (churches that haven’t claimed an affiliation) - just under 2,300;

United Methodist - under 2,000; Independent Baptists - under 2,000

- Reports on sex abuse of minors: Company has received an average of 73 reports of BOTH child sex abuse and other sexual misconduct each year for the past 15 years. The company did know how many of that total were child sex abuse cases and how many were other sexual misconduct because it doesn’t organize its data that way.

- Total amount in claims paid: Total of approximately $7.8 million has been paid out in claims for sexual misconduct and child sex abuse over the past 15 years.


Sources: Brotherhood Mutual Insurance Co., GuideOne Insurance Co. and Church Mutual Insurance Co.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1110AP_Protestants_Sex_Abuse_Glance.html

The Catholic Church has reported that since 1950, 13,000 “credible accusations” have been brought against Catholic clerics (about 228 per year.) The fact that this number includes all credible accusations, not just those that have involved insurance companies, and still is less than the number of cases in Protestant churches reported by just three insurance companies.

4 posted on 05/10/2010 12:12:32 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: Alex Murphy
The person who says she lies is the perfect person to teach “Ethics”./s
5 posted on 05/10/2010 12:17:22 PM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ((B.?) Hussein (Obama?Soetoro?Dunham?) Change America Will Die From.)
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To: Alex Murphy

I guess one good reason not to live in Canada (or at least Ontario).


6 posted on 05/10/2010 12:19:03 PM PDT by markomalley (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: kellynla

Take a breath, cowboy ... it was a joke. Over-sensitivity is not a virtue.

I skipped the rest of your extremely lengthy post, because it was a complete non-sequitur. Nobody was talking about sex abuse.

SnakeDoc


7 posted on 05/10/2010 12:19:07 PM PDT by SnakeDoctor ("The world will know that free men stood against a tyrant [...] that even a god-king can bleed.")
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To: Alex Murphy

Why would any religious school even consider hiring a recent convert, rather than a mature and grounded adherant?


8 posted on 05/10/2010 12:27:25 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Alex Murphy
During her first confession, she crept into a dark confessional box...

Don't you just love the imagery that the liberal media provides?

This article is trying to push the following:
It is torture for the Catholic Church to require Catholic teachers to be Catholics. Thus, the Catholic church should do away with its dark ages restrictions and let anyone teach to Catholic children.

9 posted on 05/10/2010 12:27:37 PM PDT by kidd
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To: Pollster1

This is also someone who almost certainly doesn’t give a crap about children. She just needs a “career”.


10 posted on 05/10/2010 12:27:57 PM PDT by Soothesayer (The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left Ecclesiastes10:2)
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To: kellynla; SnakeDoctor
Gotta say that the Admin Mod's assessement of you last year was dead-on, if not hilarious.
11 posted on 05/10/2010 1:07:01 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (Pretentiousness is so beneath me.)
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To: SnakeDoctor
“Nobody was talking about sex abuse”

you & your girlfriend have been “talking about sex abuse”on FR for years ...only you & your girlfriend have conveniently omitted the Protestant "sex abuse" while bashing the Catholic church...

14 posted on 05/10/2010 1:20:37 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla; Alex Murphy

***The Catholic Church has reported that since 1950, 13,000 “credible accusations” have been brought against Catholic clerics (about 228 per year.)***

Asking the Roman Catholic to self report on this is like asking an alcoholic to count how many drinks he had last night.


15 posted on 05/10/2010 1:21:15 PM PDT by Gamecock (If you want Your Best Life Now, follow Osteen. If you want your best life forever, don't. JM)
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To: Alex Murphy

“Jobless, non-religious teachers to turn Catholicism in attempt for employment”

I believe that secular teachers will find themselves quite comfortable in catholic institutions.


16 posted on 05/10/2010 1:23:33 PM PDT by Grunthor (Over YOUR dead body!)
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To: Gamecock
yea, well you come up with contradictory data, missy and then we’lll talk... until then stow it...
17 posted on 05/10/2010 1:23:59 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: Grunthor

***I believe that secular teachers will find themselves quite comfortable in catholic institutions.***

LOL! Prolly so!


18 posted on 05/10/2010 1:24:30 PM PDT by Gamecock (If you want Your Best Life Now, follow Osteen. If you want your best life forever, don't. JM)
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To: SnakeDoctor; Alex Murphy

“You should’ve made this a Protestant Caucus thread. Haha.”

Alex isn’t as big a coward as some of our fellow freepers of varying religious groups.


19 posted on 05/10/2010 1:24:48 PM PDT by Grunthor (Over YOUR dead body!)
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To: kellynla

Dial it back, squeaky-toy.

What in the world are you talking about? My wife isn’t on FR, I don’t have a “girlfriend”, and I haven’t been involved in a sex abuse thread for quite a while. Again ... over-sensitivity is not a virtue. Get a grip.

And, If you’ve been sitting on that copy/paste sex abuse information waiting for your opportunity ... I think you shot prematurely.

SnakeDoc


20 posted on 05/10/2010 1:26:05 PM PDT by SnakeDoctor ("The world will know that free men stood against a tyrant [...] that even a god-king can bleed.")
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