Posted on 05/05/2010 10:48:55 AM PDT by markomalley
"Fatima is a particularly significant place for this Pope," said Vatican spokesman Fr. Federico Lombardi on Tuesday, noting that it was also a destination for two former Popes. The Holy Father has a thorough knowledge of the history of the Marian sanctuary, he added.
Fr. Lombardi held a press conference at the Vatican to prepare the media for the Pope's next trip out of the Vatican. He will be visiting Portugal from May 11-14.
The spokesman referred to the Pope's stop in Fatima on May 13 as the highlight and "heart" of the upcoming four-day trip to Portugal, according to Vatican Radio. But, he pointed out, Benedict XVI will not be the first Pope to visit the Marian shrine.
Two other Pontiffs have been to Fatima. In 1967, the sanctuary hosted Paul VI, and John Paul II visited in 1982, 1991 and 2000, at which time the visionaries Jacinta and Francesco were beatified.
The Portuguese shrine is not unfamiliar to Pope Benedict, since as head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, then-Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger extensively studied the message of Fatima. Fr. Lombardi said on Tuesday that the Pope has been involved with history of the Marian sanctuary in a "very deep, personal way."
It was him, for example, who was called upon to give a theological perspective when the third secret of Fatima was made public in 2000.
The Vatican spokesman said that the Holy Father will also deliver an intense message during his Fatima visit. Upon his arrival at the sanctuary on May 12, he will remember John Paul II and the 29th anniversary of the assassination attempt that nearly took his life on May 13, 1981.
This visit marks the Holy Father's 15th Apostolic Journey abroad in his five years and is his first to Portugal as Pope.
During today's general audience, the Holy Father greeted the people of Portugal in their language, telling them that he will be there this coming weekend at the invitation of the president of the nation and the episcopal conference.
He said he was "happy to be able to visit the 'land of Holy Mary'" on the 10th anniversary of the beatification of the shepherd children.
According to Portuguese press reports, local police are planning for a cumulative total of 450,000 people at the celebrations in Lisbon, Fatima and Portugal during the four-day visit.
You are most welcome.
Why? Just ignore the mockers.
Kind of puts a damper on the *It’s all different names for the same god* nonsense, doesn’t it?
It sounds like . . .
the whole Fatima hoax will be strengthened . . . thereby strengthening the the whole goddess element of the caricatured pseudo-Mary personage that was embellished so extensively at Fatima during a very standard dramatic version of a certain type of UFO manifestation.
Of course, folks focusing on the caricatured Mary and all the fantasies, dogma, mythology surrounding the pseudo-Mary personage are easy prey for such hoaxes—particularly with all the UFO technologies and their sound, light, mass hypnosis etc. techniques.
The “dancing sun” aspect was clearly a common larger [medium in some respects] UFO craft blotting out the sun and performing other typical maneuvers in the incident.
I never have believed the Vatican’s official bit about the 3rd message.
And, all the messages sound to me like they are quite geared to intensifying respect for, adoration of, submission to the caricatured pseudo-Mary personage the Vatican has elevated into sharing the “hypostatic union” with The Trinity.
Quite a clever thing hatched in the pit.
ISLAM UNVEILED is an excellent book.
ANGER is obligatory at the least insult or offense—otherwise one is considered a wimp, a nothing.
Retaliation and vengeance, the same thing.
I think that’s going to be next on my reading list.
My sister was in the Air Force at the time when GW went after Saddam. While he was getting shredded for going after him because it would be perceived as making the US look weak cause he had to finish up what his father didn’t do, a friend of hers who was more familiar with muslim culture said that they wouldn’t see it that way.
In muslim culture, that kind of behavior is EXPECTED. If someone offends your family, you are expected to take revenge, even if it’s another generation. So in muslim eyes, he actually EARNED respect, because he was doing what they thought should be done, protecting family honor.
No, not the same god at all.
Just as you can’t throw all Protestants into one pot and make a general statement or all Catholics into one pot and make a general statement, I guess I disagree with your statement about all Muslims being evil. They aren’t. Many are peaceful and law-abiding.
I’m not a Muslim lover, because the jihadism that has occurred within their religion drives me nuts. I guess it’s the generalities that I sensed in your statements.
I didn’t say I thought all msulims are evil. Where’d you read that?
Oops, typed too fast.....
msulims = muslims
I do agree.
Born and raised Catholic, (not so much anymore), I never did buy the church's reasoning of not revealing the third secret when told to do so. If the pope, at that time, really believed that it was the virgin, who was he or any mortal for that matter not to follow her orders to the letter.
Something happened I have no doubt, but what really happened is the question.
Thank you, Mark.
Yeah, I’ve always thought that, about that issue, too.
There’s been plenty of incongruencies along the way, as well as in the series of incidents originating the whole thing.
RC’s persistently challenge me with . . . how could satan cause a personage to advocate such ‘righteous’ things.
I’m not sure how righteous those exhortations were if they were not originating from Christ, Himself.
They just ended up causing millions of people to attach themselves all the more firmly to Mary vs to Christ.
And, there are vague to not so vague globalist implications in the messages, to begin with.
To me, the biggest import, is that it sets Mary up quite well to be presented yet again via the same critters and technologies . . . as a kind of Pied Piper to millions of RC’s at some critical END TIMES era point . . . leading the undiscerning down the yellow brick road to a horrible trap.
Thanks.
I’ve usually admired her spunk and fiestiness.
INDEED.
Reports range from 20% to 70% of all Muslims supporting Jihadis to some degree or another.
The verses in their founding documents about converting or killing all non-Muslims are there and
IF A MUSLIM BLEIEVES THE FOUNDING DOCUMENTS AT ALL, HE BELIEVES IN THAT PART, TOO.
ALSO, the ****ONLY**** confidence afforded in their religion at all of ANY SERIOUS, RELIABLE HOPE of eternal salvation is
BY WAGING WAR AGAINST NON-MUSLIMS AND DYING KILLED IN THAT WAR.
THAT REALITY IS TRUE FOR EVERY MUSLIM WHO IS THE LEAST SERIOUS BIT A MUSLIM.
Reports range from 20% to 70% of all Muslims supporting Jihadis to some degree or another.
20% OF A BILLION PLUS PEOPLE is more than a few out to kill
. . . or forcefully under threat of beheading . . .
every Roman Catholic et al and every other Christian.
Have you forgotten your Scripture?
"No one can say, 'Jesus Christ is Lord', except in the Holy Spirit."
Not to mention that you're making what amounts to an ad hominem argument: "Whether it's true or not depends on who's saying it."
Reason with me, Quix.
Anything Satan does, he is able to do because God permits him to do it. True or false?
God, in Scripture, condemns leading little children astray and says it ought to be punished with a millstone around the neck. True or false?
The Fatima apparitions began with an entity identified as St. Michael the Archangel teaching the children to pray, "O my Jesus, forgive us our sins, save us from the fires of hell, lead all souls to heaven, especially those most in need of Thy mercy." True or false? [That part is factual: true.]
If the Fatima apparitions were demonic in their entirety, then this episode was demonic also. True or false?
So you're asking me to believe that God permitted a demonic entity to teach little children to call on Jesus for their salvation? Can demonic entities even do that?
Even assuming a demonic entity is capable of that, or would want to, how is permitting that consistent with God's own revelation of his character in Scripture? Doesn't it put God's millstone around his own neck?
They just ended up causing millions of people to attach themselves all the more firmly to Mary vs to Christ.
Please explain how (1) teaching people to call on Jesus for their salvation; (2) teaching people that the world is due for chastisement because of its sins (and giving specific signs portending some of those chastisements); and (3) teaching people that hell is real and fearful somehow "causes millions of people to attach themselves ... to Mary vs to Christ".
IMO, Protestants' real objection to Fatima is simple. If Fatima is true, then Catholicism is true. Therefore, Fatima cannot be true.
The "hypostatic union" refers to the union of Christ's human and divine natures in one Divine Person. It has nothing to do with Mary, except that she helped to bring it about.
I don't know what you think "Mary sharing the 'hypostatic union' with the Trinity" means (the phrase makes no theological sense), but it's not Catholic doctrine.
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