Posted on 04/06/2010 7:41:39 PM PDT by NoCmpromiz
President Obama bared his soul before a cross section of Christian leaders at a White House Easter breakfast on Tuesday (April 6), where he spoke publicly of his faith in redemption through Jesus in his most personal terms since becoming president.
"We are awed by the grace he showed even to those who would have killed him," Obama said, pausing occasionally to glance at written notes. "We are thankful for the sacrifice he gave for the sins of humanity. And we glory in the promise of redemption in the resurrection."
Obama said the Easter breakfast, along with a recent Passover Seder and a Ramadan dinner last fall, was part of his pledge to make the White House "a place where all people would feel welcome." Presidential aides also said it gave Obama the opportunity to thank Christian leaders for their community service.
"For those who are wondering or have doubts about whether he is authentically Christian, I think today's message puts all doubts to rest," said the Rev. Kirbyjon Caldwell, another Houston megachurch pastor who attended Tuesday's breakfast.
Obama's father was a Kenyan Muslim-turned-atheist, his mother an agnostic, and his Indonesian stepfather an unorthodox Muslim. Caldwell, who is close to Obama and his predecessor, President George W. Bush, said he is galled by the number of Americans -- one in 10 according to a 2009 poll -- who refuse to believe Obama is Christian.
Caldwell was also one of about 20 black clergy -- from denominational heads to pastors who knew Obama when he was a community organizer in Chicago -- who gathered with the president privately before the breakfast.
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And THIS is the SAME reason that a certain unnamed politician that wants to be President is not making much traction amoung voters: his RECORD shows he's not much of a MORMON.
;^)
Well agree to disagree.
You disagree with everybody?
If he said and believes this, I can't find fault with it with the possible exception of changing the pronoun from "we", to "I". After all, he is rather fond of using "I".
"I believe in my heart and confess with my mouth that Jesus Christ is the Son of God". That would be unambiguous.
Of course. :)
I like this Command from Yah'shua:shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiachJohn 7:24 "Do not judge according to appearance,It always upsets the liberals no end.
but judge with righteous judgment."
As for seeking direction in dealing with O’s religious double speak, such matters are just easily discerned, RUN with great speed, the other way.
Bless you reaganant! It has been a fun, enlighting, interesting discussion.
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I agree on both counts. :)
LOL. Appropriate, very appropriate.
1. Still on earth, dwelling in a not yet complete body, yet sealed In Christ.
2. Completed, seated with Christ, a living stone in HIS Temple, prepared for us.
Each position has different properties;
The temporary, incomplete body is able to give temporary judgment on the, as of that time temporary actions of others. This is also due to the fact, we ourselves are still imperfect. Hopefully the person with bad fruit will repent, and if lost, receive Christ as his savior. There is still time for him to do so.
The other is an eternal judgment we will give as completed, perfected creations in Christ, judging as He does, because we are a completed part of Him.
This my take on this, and yes, I could be wrong, as we all could be. We are not yet complete, still in fallen bodies, living in a fallen world, but sealed by the Holy Spirit.
Actually that is a relief since we make mistakes. Thank God, Christ has us covered.
Bless you, and thank you we can come together as brothers and sisters in Christ, to speak of all the good He has given us through the riches of His great grace.
The context of the verse is Yah'shuashalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
discussing why we must worship on Shabbat
and not follow man made traditions.
As it should...
(can of worms time... ;^)
Romans 14:5-12
5. One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
6. He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
7. For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.
8. For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.
9. For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.
10. But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
11. For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
12. So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.
The apostles and elders, your brothers, To the Gentile believers in Antioch, Syria and Cilicia:Greetings.
We have heard that some went out from us without our authorization and disturbed you, troubling your minds by what they said.
So we all agreed to choose some men and send them to you with our dear friends Barnabas and Paul-- men who have risked their livesfor the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore we are sending Judas and Silas to confirm by word of mouth what we are writing.
It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements:
You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality.You will do well to avoid these things.Farewell.
For my part, I believe the verse you are referring to in John, is Christ speaking of the true Shabbat rest found in Him, a foreshadowing of His work of Grace completed on the Cross.
I have found Col 2;16-23 backs this us.
Colossians 2:16-23 (New International Version)
16 "Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.
17These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.
18Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you for the prize. Such a person goes into great detail about what he has seen, and his unspiritual mind puffs him up with idle notions.
19He has lost connection with the Head, from whom the whole body, supported and held together by its ligaments and sinews, grows as God causes it to grow.
20Since you died with Christ to the basic principles of this world, why, as though you still belonged to it, do you submit to its rules: 21”Do not handle! Do not taste! Do not touch!”? 22These are all destined to perish with use, because they are based on human commands and teachings.
23Such regulations indeed have an appearance of wisdom, with their self-imposed worship, their false humility and their harsh treatment of the body, but they lack any value in restraining sensual indulgence."
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiachDid the creator of the universe say: stop worshipping me on the the day that I have commanded since Genesis ?
Did Yah'shua say: I've changed my mind; I now want you to worship on the Pagan day of the sun ?
To whom does the New Covenant ( Jeremiah 31 ) refer and what does it detail ?
Circumcision of the flesh clearly has been replaced with circumcision of the heart.
People have for years twisted and tortured the Holy Word to "prove"
rejecting the Holy Word of Elohom and substitute the Pagan day of the Sun.
Sunday worship began at the Council of Laodicea circa 364 CE;
they ordered that religious observances were to be conducted on Sunday,
not Saturday. Sunday became the new Sabbath.If you were familiar with the Holy Word of Elohim,
you would know that the Holy Spirit descended on the apostles
on the YHvH commanded Feast of Shavuot ( see Lev 23 for details )
In the LXX, Shavuot
( is also called the Feast of Weeks as it is seven weeks plus a day)
was called Pentecost; it is a YHvH commanded Feast day.Yah'shua said :
NAsbU John 14:15 "If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.
Yeah...first glance! Especially because it is usually “I”, “I”, “I” this and “I”, “I”, “I” that! Funny how on THIS topic he uses a different pronoun. Funny as in ironic - not hah, hah!
How grateful I am that God IS still in control!
Jesus himself said:
Mark 2:27-28
27And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
28Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
It would be a mistake to demand that under the new covenant that believers are to observe all the laws of Moses to be obedient to the Lord. Also, you cannot deny that after that very FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK that the believers continued to meet in honor of and remembrance of the resurrection of Christ way before the Council of Laodicea. Although they did meet for study of the Word on the Sabbaths as well, Paul commanded the believers at Colossi:
Colossians 2:16
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days
So, it seems to me, that insisting that Sunday worship is Pagan is quite a bit out of sync with the purpose of the Sabbath in the first place and is pure Judaizing legalism that GRACE overrules!
Forgot to include y’all on above response post #119.
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