The secrets surrounding the Holy Shroud

Rome Reports ^ | April 3, 2010

[circlecity]

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[Dajjal]

bumpus ad summum

[NYer]

More and more evidence points to the conclusion that it is the shroud in which Jesus was buried.

If nothing else, look at the head wounds.

Now compare it with the Sudarium (head cloth) in Oviedo Spain.

The man was wounded before death with something that made his scalp bleed and produced wounds on his neck, shoulders and upper part of the back.

The blood (stain symmetry, type and other indicators) on the Sudarium matches the blood on the Shroud.

AND

The Sudarium contains pollen grains of Gundelia tournefortii, identical to that found of the Shroud that grows only east of the Mediterranean Sea as far north as Lebanon and as far south as Jerusalem.

We know the head wounds of Jesus were caused by the crown of thorns. How many crucified men were similarly crowned?

[Poison Pill]

The Shroud is the most studied human artifact of all time

No it isn't.

[GGpaX4DumpedTea]

"But it is in the plural form every time. Not a single cloth but multiple cloths." Yes, two is plural. One 'shrouding' the body, and at least one spiral-wrapped. And the cloth covering the head (face covering of a corpse) is σουδάριον soudarion soo-dar'-ee-on Of Latin origin; a sudarium (sweat cloth), that is, towel (for wiping the perspiration from the face, or binding the face of a corpse): - handerchief, napkin.

[GGpaX4DumpedTea]

“No it isn’t.”

And, the most studied human artifact is...?

[ErnBatavia]

http://www.historicaljesusquest.com/sudarium.htm

[California74]

you seem to be about the only person with any spiritual sense on this thread!!

[Poison Pill]

And, the most studied human artifact is...?

The Bible, The Koran, The U.S. Constitution, The Mona Lisa, The Great Pyramid at Giza, any play by Shakespeare, The Dead Sea Scrolls, Disney World, Gone With The Wind........... pick a metric.

[GreyFriar]

Is this ‘face cloth’ also referred to as “Veronica’s Veil?”

[NYer]

Is this ‘face cloth’ also referred to as “Veronica’s Veil?”

No! This is the head cloth of Christ.

How the sudarium was wrapped around the head

3: Coincidence with the Shroud

The sudarium alone has revealed sufficient information to suggest that it was in contact with the face of Jesus after the crucifixion. However, the really fascinating evidence comes to light when this cloth is compared to the Shroud of Turin.

The first and most obvious coincidence is that the blood on both cloths belongs to the same group, namely AB.

The length of the nose through which the pleural oedema fluid came onto the sudarium has been calculated at eight centimetres, just over three inches. This is exactly the same length as the nose on the image of the Shroud.

If the face of the image on the Shroud is placed over the stains on the sudarium, perhaps the most obvious coincidence is the exact fit of the stains with the beard on the face. As the sudarium was used to clean the man's face, it appears that it was simply placed on the face to absorb all the blood, but not used in any kind of wiping movement.

A small stain is also visible proceeding from the right hand side of the man's mouth. This stain is hardly visible on the Shroud, but Dr. John Jackson, using the VP-8 and photo enhancements has confirmed its presence.

The thorn wounds on the nape of the neck also coincide perfectly with the bloodstains on the Shroud.

Read more.

[zot]

Good evidence. Thanks.

[GGpaX4DumpedTea]

I would not consider the Bible, the Koran, The Constitution, the Dead Sea Scrolls artifacts in the same way we might consider the Shroud an artifact. Certainly modern day things such as Disney, Literature, even the dome of the Cisten Chapel, are not ‘artifacts’ in the same sense. I don’t know that I would even call the Shroud an artifact, if you get right down to it. Of the six dictionary definitions of ‘artifact’, this one might come closest to applying to the Shroud...

“a handmade object, as a tool, or the remains of one, as a shard of pottery, characteristic of an earlier time or cultural stage, esp. such an object found at an archaeological excavation.”

[Iscool]

The science doesn’t say the image is in multiple cloths, only in the Shroud. The suderium (face cloth) does not have the image, but it does have matching blood stains with respect to blood type (AB) and shape, and it contains other evidence such as pollen that indicates it was in Jerusalem. From a forensics point of view, the Shroud is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt of being the burial cloth (or one of them) of Christ.

Act 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

So God has type AB blood, eh??? Good to know in case He ever needs a transfusion...

How do you guys explain the fact that there is no room on the shroud for the top of Jesus' head??? That space would have to be there if the shroud covered his body in the front, then wrapped over the top of his head and then covered the back of his body like you guys claim...

[HerrBlucher]

The blood in the Shroud and the suderium is type AB, and given all the other evidence, this blood is very likely the blood of Christ. So yes, God in human form, had type AB blood.

The image in the shroud shows the scars made by the crown of thorns so I don’t know why you would say the Shroud does not contain the top of Jesus’s head.

You guys? It is not us (Freeper Shroud fans) who are making these claims, it is the scientists that have studied the Shroud, we are just taking in their findings to our amazement and are unable to refute them, as is anyone else.

The Shroud of Turin is authentic, get used to it.

[donmeaker]

Just it has been widely known that most relics were at best pious frauds.

And the image is made of red ocre and vermillion... vermillion as a pigment was a fairly new at the time that we have actual records of the Fraud of Turin.

[HerrBlucher]

The argument that the Shroud of Turin is a painting was throughly debunked by several scientists who have studied the Shroud, as explained in the video “The Fabric of Time.” There is no evidence that the image was been created by paint pigments of any sort. In fact the ongoing speculation now is that it was imprinted by some form of radiation. Go back and read through my posts on this thread for a point by point debunking, I don’t want to write it all over again. More importantly though, watch the video “The Fabric of Time” for the latest on all the scientific evidence regarding the Shroud of Turin and then see if your case still holds up.

By far, the weight of the evidence to date is that the Shroud of Turin is authentic.

[donmeaker]

Probably all those who led a rebellion of one sort or another. This was Judea, which had a religious rebellion about once every two weeks.

It is not evidence if a forgery matches its cover story.

[donmeaker]

Authentic fraud...

[Swordmaker]

I’m torn between believing this is real, or that Da Vinci created it.

Ignore Picknett and Prince... their book is a fantasy. The shroud was put on display in Lirey, France, 101 years before Leonardo was born.