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Posted on 03/19/2010 8:59:34 AM PDT by svcw
And have others lost to a cult that only leads them astray???? Nah, don't think so.
If MORMONism is 'really' the answer, then why even worry what a handfull of ANTIs are doing on the Internet?
SURELY the 'truthfulness' of MORMONism will prevail!
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Why, Joseph Smith took care of all that stuff with his "restoration", didn't you get the word? From: Joseph Smith—Prophet of the Restoration
Suppose for a moment someone told you these three facts about a New Testament personality and nothing more: first, the Savior said of this man, “O thou of little faith” (Matthew 14:31); second, this man, in a moment of anger, cut off an ear of the high priest’s servant; and third, this man denied knowing who the Savior was on three occasions, even though he had walked with Him daily. If that is all you knew or focused upon, you might have thought this man a scoundrel or a no-good, but in the process you would have failed to come to know one of the greatest men who ever walked the earth: Peter the Apostle.
Similarly, attempts have been made by some to focus upon or magnify some minor weaknesses of the Prophet Joseph Smith, but in that process they too have missed the mark, the man, and his mission. Joseph Smith was the Lord’s anointed to restore Christ’s Church to the earth. When he emerged from the grove of trees, he eventually learned four fundamental truths not then taught by the majority of the contemporary Christian world.
First, he learned that God the Father and His Son, Jesus Christ, are two separate, distinct beings. The Bible confirms Joseph Smith’s discovery. It tells us that the Son submitted His will to the Father (see Matthew 26:42). We are moved by the Savior’s submission and find strength in His example to do likewise, but what would have been the depth and passion of Christ’s submission or the motivational power of that example if the Father and the Son were the same being and in reality the Son was merely following His own will under a different name?
The scriptures give further evidence of this great truth: “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son” (John 3:16). A father offering up his only son is the supreme demonstration of love that the human mind and heart can conceive and feel. It is symbolized by the touching story of Abraham and Isaac (see Genesis 22). But if the Father is the same being as the Son, then this sacrifice of all sacrifices is lost, and Abraham is no longer offering up Isaac—Abraham is now offering up Abraham.
The second great truth Joseph Smith discovered was that the Father and the Son have glorified bodies of flesh and bones. Following the Savior’s Resurrection, He appeared to His disciples and said, “Handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have” (Luke 24:39). Some have suggested this was a temporary physical manifestation and that when He ascended to heaven He shed His body and returned to His spirit form. But the scriptures tell us this was not possible. Paul taught, “Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him” (Romans 6:9). In other words, once Christ was resurrected, His body could never again be separated from His spirit; otherwise He would suffer death, the very consequence Paul said was no longer possible after His Resurrection.
The third truth that Joseph Smith learned was that God still speaks to man today—that the heavens are not closed. One need but ask three questions, once proposed by President Hugh B. Brown, to arrive at that conclusion (see “The Profile of a Prophet,” Liahona, June 2006, 13; Ensign, June 2006, 37). First, does God love us as much today as He loved the people to whom He spoke in New Testament times? Second, does God have the same power today as He did then? And third, do we need Him as much today as they needed Him anciently? If the answers to those questions are yes and if God is the same yesterday, today, and forever, as the scriptures so declare (see Mormon 9:9), then there is little doubt: God does speak to man today exactly as Joseph Smith testified.
The fourth truth that Joseph Smith learned was that the full and complete Church of Jesus Christ was not then upon the earth. Of course there were good people and some components of the truth, but the Apostle Paul had anciently prophesied that the Second Coming of Christ would not come “except there come a falling away first” (2 Thessalonians 2:3).
Following Joseph Smith’s First Vision, the Restoration of Christ’s Church commenced “line upon line, precept upon precept” (D&C 98:12).
Through Joseph Smith was restored the doctrine of the gospel being preached to the dead in the spirit world to those who did not have a fair chance on earth to hear it (see D&C 128:5–22; see also D&C 138:30–34). This was not the invention of a creative mind; it was the restoration of a biblical truth. Peter had long ago taught, “For this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit” (
(Norm, why don't you ask the 53,000 current Lds missionaries that if they "don't agree with" the 98% of religious beliefs of doorbells they ring, why not "just ignore" them and let those households "choose to practice and believe as they wish"???)
What? Never crossed your mind? (We thought not)
I got mixed into this thread thinking it was an LDS attack on the RCC. Although I believe that the RCC represents the actual church founded by Jesus, other peoples’ beliefs are between them and God. Just be a good neighbor and a good citizen and we won’t have any problems.
Plus any religion than can have a univeristy for which Jimmer Fredette plays can’t be all bad.
Nick the Computer Guy could have helped:
http://www.hulu.com/watch/19050/saturday-night-live-nick-burns
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TzHbcXYwI4
Yes, we send out missionaries to share the gospel message because we think it is important and can be a great blessing in peoples’ lives.
If people want to believe differently then that is fine. We are happy to let people worship as they please.
Not really sure what you intended to accomplish.
But, Joseph was as misguided as Innocent, Leo X, JPII and the others that introduced misleading extra-biblical theology into the mix. This goes for Mary Baker Eddy, Ellen G. White, The Russelites. Have I left anyone out?
And just so I am not accused of partiality, the so-called Protestants recently implementing bad hermeneutics are equally guilty of misleading: Bruce Wilkenson, Benny Hinn, Oral Roberts, Joel Osteen, and the gang that thinks they are receiving direct/personal revelation from God. The Gospel has been delivered "once for all" and we have enough on our hands understand that without nut jobs adding "new" insight. There, have I equally offended all splinter groups?
Not even the Muslims do that and very few other cults or “religions” do it and none to the degree and scale of the LDS.
I think that should be enough right there...
You are our brother in Christ, Admiral!
LOL. Thanks for straightening that out for us MDude.
Did you read the original thread article and the first 8 posts? Restoration...Joseph Smith....first sentence..“Nothing less than a complete apostasy from the Christian religion would warrant the establishment of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.”
Do you mean that Latter-day Saints slander Jesus?
I can assure you that quite the opposite is true; we love and worship him. He is the center of our faith. (Yes, the Jesus of the New Testament)
Best,
Normandy
I'm Baptist, I didn't see a thing in your post to take umbrage at. (At which to take umbrage) gotta keep reminding myself to not end a sentence with one of those dang ole prepositions.
I learned all I needed to know about Joel Osteen on "Larry King Live", thank you.
King: "Is Jesus the only way to heaven"?
Olsteen: "I'm not prepared to say that Jesus is the only way".
I can tell that for some reason the existence of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and the doctrines the church teaches upset you very much.
I wonder why it has to be this way. If you don’t agree with Mormonism, why not just ignore it and let its members choose to practice and believe as they wish? I think that would make life more pleasant for everyone involved.
My dear fifty-five thousand mormon missionaries, sent out every day, "I wonder why it has to be this way. If you don’t agree with .Christianity Mormonism, why not just ignore it and let its members choose to practice and believe as they wish? I think that would make life more pleasant for everyone involved."
38 And now I say unto you, Refrain from these men, and let them alone: for if this counsel or this work be of men, it will come to nought:
39 But if it be of God, ye cannot overthrow it; lest haply ye be found even to fight against God.
I got news for you Lou..the mormons are attacking the RCC every day in every way trying to steal the RCC sheep. That doesn't make for "good neighbors".
Do you have independently verifiable proof of this claim?
Afterall, it’s all(mormonism) based on Joseph Smith’s say so. No one else was witness to his claim of having been visited. He wrote the story (many different versions mind you) with nary another person present to witness this “event”.
He and he alone made the claims.
Where is your independently VERIFIABLE proof of your accusation that svcw is wrong?
The D&C’s, POGP, and BoM don’t count either.
Quit picking at nits and answer the questions.
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