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WAS A “RESTORATION” OF THE GOSPEL NECESSARY?
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Posted on 03/19/2010 8:59:34 AM PDT by svcw

“Nothing less than a complete apostasy from the Christian religion would warrant the establishment of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.”—History of the Church, Volume 1, p. XL

According to LDS Scripture, the Apostle John (D&C 7) and the three Nephites (3 Nephi 28) never died. So, how could Gospel “authority” have left the earth, needing “restoration”?

“…in the latter times some shall depart from the faith…”—1 Timothy 4:1

If only “some” would depart from the faith, how could a “complete apostasy” have occurred? Did Jesus fail to preserve His Church against the gates of hell?

“I will build MY church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.” —Matthew 16:18

“...that you should earnestly contend for the faith which was once [for all time] delivered unto the saints.” —Jude 3

“...but though we, or an angel from heaven preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.” —Galatians 1:9


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To: restornu

It not enough to deceive the LDS with Sleight of hand
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That would be Satan...The deceiver...

ansd his puppet Joey Smith...

But he’s not a FReeper...

Joey Smith is screaming in Hell where he belongs..

He’s begging for a 1,000 year olds Quaker to leave the Moon and give him a finger of water...

Or is he screaming for John ???

Or James or Peter ???

or one of the 3 Nephites ???


41 posted on 03/19/2010 11:05:18 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: restornu; svcw

so deceptions ok with you!
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It was OK for Joey Smith...

and it is OK with the mormons of today...

But its not OK with Jesus or svcw or the Christians in these threads...

That’s why we tell you that Joey Smith was a false prophet...

and warn you to come out of mormonism...

Theres nothing but deception and death in mormonism...

Repent and be saved by the Christian Jesus of the Christian Bible...

Jesus said to Resty, “I am the Way, the Truth and the LIFE. No man or women comes to the Father except by me.”


42 posted on 03/19/2010 11:10:34 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: restornu

Listen sweetie, the link goes where it is supposed to go. How is that a deception? I really want to know.


43 posted on 03/19/2010 11:13:10 AM PDT by svcw (Jesus comforts the uncomfortable and makes uncomfortable the comfortable.)
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To: restornu

You can stop proving my point now. I think you made it.


44 posted on 03/19/2010 11:15:11 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (Palin bashers on freerepublic, like a fart in Church...)
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To: restornu; svcw; Tennessee Nana; MHGinTN; Colofornian; SZonian

Don’t you have a closed thread to babysit, resty? Getting bored over there?


45 posted on 03/19/2010 11:20:12 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (I used to eat a lot of natural foods until I learned that most people die of natural causes.)
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To: svcw

Ok, everyone there has been some complaint that I intentional tried to deceive those looking at this thread. I did not. I just copied and pasted the link in my servers address line.
I am going to post again the link to the same page, just to be clear.
http://www.4mormon.org/card-ldsrestoration.php


46 posted on 03/19/2010 11:21:14 AM PDT by svcw (Jesus comforts the uncomfortable and makes uncomfortable the comfortable.)
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To: svcw

Both links go to the same page.


47 posted on 03/19/2010 11:21:46 AM PDT by svcw (Jesus comforts the uncomfortable and makes uncomfortable the comfortable.)
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To: restornu; svcw
Than address it right you omitted the 4 in your lable!

Gee, must be slow in the caucus world....

48 posted on 03/19/2010 11:21:55 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (I used to eat a lot of natural foods until I learned that most people die of natural causes.)
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To: greyfoxx39
ROFLMBO
Same subject matter, its what happens when one stifles free discussion.
49 posted on 03/19/2010 11:23:11 AM PDT by svcw (Jesus comforts the uncomfortable and makes uncomfortable the comfortable.)
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To: svcw; Religion Moderator

Sorry, I should have pinged you to #46 if you wish to change the link in my post.


50 posted on 03/19/2010 11:25:03 AM PDT by svcw (Jesus comforts the uncomfortable and makes uncomfortable the comfortable.)
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To: svcw
It doesn't matter WHO is posting, or WHAT they are posting...every post bumps the thresd! ;)
51 posted on 03/19/2010 11:25:10 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (I used to eat a lot of natural foods until I learned that most people die of natural causes.)
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To: greyfoxx39

thresd=thread...that’s what happens after a visit to the eye doc who puts those drops in your eyes....


52 posted on 03/19/2010 11:26:14 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (I used to eat a lot of natural foods until I learned that most people die of natural causes.)
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To: Lou Budvis; fish hawk; Dr. Eckleburg; Quix; wmfights; Marysecretary; Forest Keeper; HarleyD; ...
"...but you cannot ignore the historical fact that for about 1000 years almost all Chirstians recognized the authority of the Pope and the Western church continued to do so for another 500 years."

The grave difficulty with this analysis is that the earliest churches had no idea that a few, rabid folks were creating a central authority in a "pope". The word does not appear in any literature of reasonable authority until the latter part of the third century. The term "bishop" was interchangeable with a "presbyter" or "elder" and represented a description of the men at local churches identified with teaching/leading gifts.

Rome remanufactured this into a self-serving central authority, clearly contested throughout the ages by many local churches. That they dominated the landscape by brute force no more establishes their legitimacy than Hitler established his legitimacy in Europe.

And, even your math discloses that something was amiss from 1000 ad and following. Obviously, many brave folks were finally finding the voice to speak truth into the teeth of the oppressive rule of Rome. They paid dearly for such courage.

It was not, however, primarily political rule that needed reforming (but you're welcome for the U.S.). It was the mistaken theology of the seven sacraments, the sacerdotalism, the marioloatry, the indulgences, pergatory, penance, and (pardon the pun) a whole host of other errors in the manner the RCC represented the process of salvation. Those errors continue to this day.

The reformation set out in public view the Scriptural truths that undeserving men/women are elected before the foundation of world (Eph. 1) and that salvation is not a self-determined process like a business transaction (not wages, Rom. 4) wherein I exchange belief/trust/confession/actions/behavior or anything else originating in my soul for my rescue. Rather, it is the grace of God, through His Holy Spirit blowing where He will to make men alive from the dead (Lazarus imagery). Men and women are gifted faith to turn from self and cast themselves on the mercy of God, recognizing that the shedding of the blood of Christ (a one-time time/space/historical event) is the only thing that cleanses a man from sin and clothes him in sufficent righteousness to see God. They then begin the pilgrimage of beginning to recogize their rescue and are compelled to good works.

All repetitious chanting, confessions of sin, resolutions of heart, ceremonial sacraments are both ineffective and borderline blasphemous with regard to solving the problem of sin. Rome cannot give this error up because it is part of her hold over the supplicants. Tragic, monstrous, demonic. We call on Rome to repent...if she can.

53 posted on 03/19/2010 11:38:32 AM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: svcw

“Stupid is as stupid does.”


54 posted on 03/19/2010 11:40:12 AM PDT by restornu
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To: restornu

LOL
We have gone over this before. Please, do not post slights to yourself to me.


55 posted on 03/19/2010 11:41:16 AM PDT by svcw (Jesus comforts the uncomfortable and makes uncomfortable the comfortable.)
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To: svcw

You are NOT “Mormon.org” your site is “4mormon.org”

Geez!


56 posted on 03/19/2010 11:43:30 AM PDT by restornu
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To: restornu

Its not my site.
See post #46.


57 posted on 03/19/2010 11:56:29 AM PDT by svcw (Jesus comforts the uncomfortable and makes uncomfortable the comfortable.)
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To: svcw; Lou Budvis; Dutch Boy

Well, svcw...I guess that when you post a thread regarding “restoration” you will need to post something stating it is referring to mormonism, not to the Catholic church.


58 posted on 03/19/2010 12:02:41 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (I used to eat a lot of natural foods until I learned that most people die of natural causes.)
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To: svcw

59 posted on 03/19/2010 12:05:41 PM PDT by Utah Binger (Mount Carmel Utah, Twelve Miles East of Zion National Park)
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To: svcw
It is Joe Smith that said he and he alone restored the Gospel. (And that he was greater than Jesus) Ask an lds why? Joe Smith said all before where “whores of Babylon” and thats why (depending on when he told the story) one or two or an angel or John the Baptist or some other beings came to him and told him he was chosen to restore the Gospel.

Sounds like Harry Reid.

60 posted on 03/19/2010 12:07:58 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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