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WAS A “RESTORATION” OF THE GOSPEL NECESSARY?
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Posted on 03/19/2010 8:59:34 AM PDT by svcw

“Nothing less than a complete apostasy from the Christian religion would warrant the establishment of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.”—History of the Church, Volume 1, p. XL

According to LDS Scripture, the Apostle John (D&C 7) and the three Nephites (3 Nephi 28) never died. So, how could Gospel “authority” have left the earth, needing “restoration”?

“…in the latter times some shall depart from the faith…”—1 Timothy 4:1

If only “some” would depart from the faith, how could a “complete apostasy” have occurred? Did Jesus fail to preserve His Church against the gates of hell?

“I will build MY church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.” —Matthew 16:18

“...that you should earnestly contend for the faith which was once [for all time] delivered unto the saints.” —Jude 3

“...but though we, or an angel from heaven preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.” —Galatians 1:9


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To: trisham
 
Bigotry is ugly.
 
It SURE is!!!
 



 

"You see some classes of the human family that are black, uncouth, uncomely, disagreeable and low in their habits, wild, and seemingly deprived of nearly all the blessings of the intelligence that is generally bestowed upon mankind.

The first man that committed the odious crime of killing one of his brethren will be cursed the longest of any one of the children of Adam. Cain slew his brother. Cain might have been killed, and that would have put a termination to that line of human beings.

This was not to be, and the Lord put a mark upon him, which is the flat nose and black skin. Trace mankind down to after the flood, and then another curse is pronounced upon the same race--that they should be the 'servant of servants', and they will be, until that curse is removed."

Brigham Young-President and second 'Prophet' of the Mormon Church, 1844-1877- Extract from Journal of Discourses.



Here are two examples from their 'other testament', the Book of Mormon.

  2 Nephi 5: 21    'And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people, the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.'

  Alma 3: 6    'And the skins of the Lamanites were dark, according to the mark which was set upon their fathers, which was a curse upon them because of their transgression and their rebellion against their brethren, who consisted of Nephi, Jacob and Joseph, and Sam, who were just and holy men.'



 

August 27, 1954 in an address at Brigham Young University (BYU), Mormon Elder, Mark E Peterson, in speaking to a convention of teachers of religion at the college level, said:

"The discussion on civil rights, especially over the last 20 years, has drawn some very sharp lines. It has blinded the thinking of some of our own people, I believe. They have allowed their political affiliations to color their thinking to some extent.I think I have read enough to give you an idea of what the Negro is after."

"He is not just seeking the opportunity of sitting down in a cafe where white people eat. He isn't just trying to ride on the same streetcar or the same Pullman car with white people. It isn't that he just desires to go to the same theater as the white people. From this, and other interviews I have read, it appears that the Negro seeks absorption with the white race. He will not be satisfied until he achieves it by intermarriage."

"That is his objective and we must face it. We must not allow our feelings to carry us away, nor must we feel so sorry for Negroes that we will open our arms and embrace them with everything we have. Remember the little statement that we used to say about sin, 'First we pity, then endure, then embrace'...."

(Rosa Parks would have probably told Petersen under which wheel of the bus he should go sit.)



 1967, (then) Mormon President Ezra Taft Benson said,

"The Communist program for revolution in America has been in progress for many years and is far advanced. First of all, we must not place the blame upon Negroes. They are merely the unfortunate group that has been selected by professional Communist agitators to be used as the primary source of cannon fodder."



We are told that on June 8, 1978, it was 'revealed' to the then president, Spencer Kimball, that people of color could now gain entry into the priesthood.

According to the church, Kimball spent many long hours petitioning God, begging him to give worthy black people the priesthood. God finally relented.



Sometime before the 'revelation' came to chief 'Prophet' Spencer Kimball in June 1978, General Authority, Bruce R McConkie had said:

"The Blacks are denied the Priesthood; under no circumstances can they hold this delegation of authority from the Almighty.

The Negroes are not equal with other races where the receipt of certain blessings are concerned, particularly the priesthood and the temple blessings that flow there from, but this inequality is not of man's origin, it is the Lord's doings."

(Mormon Doctrine, pp. 526-527).



When Mormon 'Apostle' Mark E Petersen spoke on 'Race Problems- As they affect the Church' at the BYU campus in 1954, the following was also said:

"...if the negro accepts the gospel with real, sincere faith, and is really converted, to give him the blessings of baptism and the gift of the Holy Ghost, he can and will enter the celestial kingdom. He will go there as a servant, but he will get celestial glory."



When Mormon 'Prophet' and second President of the Church, Brigham Young, spoke in 1863 the following was also said:

"Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God is death on the spot. This will always be so."

(Journal of Discourses, Vo. 10, p. 110)



441 posted on 03/22/2010 2:10:13 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: trisham

Well, hi trish....the ugliness on this thread started with YOUR post #120...but of course, you keep claiming to not be mormon..


442 posted on 03/22/2010 2:10:31 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (I used to eat a lot of natural foods until I learned that most people die of natural causes.)
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To: svcw

Might be a CAFETERIA type...


443 posted on 03/22/2010 2:10:49 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: svcw; Elsie

I told ya. He takes frequent trips to clever cleverland.


444 posted on 03/22/2010 2:11:06 PM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: Invincibly Ignorant

Ha!

Gave ME a MIGRAINE!


445 posted on 03/22/2010 2:11:49 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: trisham

Why do you constantly equate the anti-Mormons and Anti-Catholics?

I accept Catholics as Christians and am even invited on the Catholic caucus threads.

I used to be LDS, I do know the difference, not all of us are motivated by hate or have an issue with Catholics.

I think it is nice you want to defend the ‘persecuted’ but the LDS WILL NOT return the favor and they are the ones teaching horrible lies about Christ while claiming to be Christians.

The issues are DOCTRINES.


446 posted on 03/22/2010 2:12:14 PM PDT by reaganaut (ex-mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: svcw; Elsie; Tennessee Nana
OOpss...NEW TROLL IN TOWN....IGNORE...IGNORE...IGNORE...

The name changes but the game is the same!

447 posted on 03/22/2010 2:12:18 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (I used to eat a lot of natural foods until I learned that most people die of natural causes.)
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To: svcw

And then there’s the disdain the mormons have for the Jews...

The anti-Semitism and bigotry of the mormons has been alive and well all along...

The mormons want to taks the place of Catholics and Protestants...

and the Jews as well...

Ther mormons want to be their own version of “Israel” and “Zion”

The mormons in Hitler’s Germany...

“Private Diplomacy During the Interwar Years:
A Confluence of Mormonism, Nazism, and Investor Advocacy”

http://eucenter.tamu.edu/Publications/ResearchPapers/Nelson.pdf


448 posted on 03/22/2010 2:13:25 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: greyfoxx39
but of course, you keep claiming to not be mormon..

********************

I'm Catholic. Does that make a difference, or are we all equally despised?

449 posted on 03/22/2010 2:13:32 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: greyfoxx39

You are right.
Name changes.......same person?


450 posted on 03/22/2010 2:13:56 PM PDT by svcw (Jesus comforts the uncomfortable and makes uncomfortable the comfortable.)
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To: Invincibly Ignorant
 
All this speaking out in anger and spewing vitriol is supposed to convince their imaginary lurkers to fall to their knees and beg for what they have.
 
I know JUST what you are talking about!!

 

 
 
THE
DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS
SECTION 132
 
  51–57, Emma Smith is counseled (commanded) to be faithful and true; 58–66, Laws governing the plurality of wives are set forth.
 
 
  51 Verily, I say unto you: A commandment I give unto mine handmaid, Emma Smith, your wife, whom I have given unto you, that she stay herself and partake not of that which I commanded you to offer unto her; for I did it, saith the Lord, to aprove you all, as I did Abraham, and that I might require an offering at your hand, by covenant and sacrifice.
  52 And let mine handmaid, Emma Smith, areceive all those that have been given unto my servant Joseph, and who are virtuous and pure before me; and those who are not pure, and have said they were pure, shall be destroyed, saith the Lord God.
  53 For I am the Lord thy God, and ye shall obey my voice; and I give unto my servant Joseph that he shall be made ruler over many things; for he hath been afaithful over a few things, and from henceforth I will strengthen him.
  54 And I command mine handmaid, Emma Smith, to abide and acleave unto my servant Joseph, and to none else. But if she will not abide this commandment she shall be bdestroyed, saith the Lord; for I am the Lord thy God, and will destroy her if she abide not in my law.
  55 But if she will not abide this commandment, then shall my servant Joseph do all things for her, even as he hath said; and I will bless him and multiply him and give unto him an ahundredfold in this world, of fathers and mothers, brothers and sisters, houses and lands, wives and children, and crowns of beternal lives in the eternal worlds.
  56 And again, verily I say, let mine handmaid aforgive my servant Joseph his trespasses; and then shall she be forgiven her trespasses, wherein she has trespassed against me; and I, the Lord thy God, will bless her, and multiply her, and make her heart to brejoice
 
 
 
 

Whatever HAPPENED to Emma???
 
Eliza was a devout Mormon. At age 38, she became Joseph Smith's 14th plural wife (in addition to Smith's lawful wife, Emma). In 1842, after learning Eliza was pregnant, Emma Smith beat Eliza with a broomstick and knocked her down a flight of stairs, causing Eliza to miscarry Smith's baby.
 
 
Wow!!
 
 
I guess ol' Emma got VAPORIZED by GOD!!!
 
 
We know that multiply him thing sure didn't work out!

451 posted on 03/22/2010 2:14:35 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: svcw
Name changes.......same person?

Same "childish" goal.

452 posted on 03/22/2010 2:14:44 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (I used to eat a lot of natural foods until I learned that most people die of natural causes.)
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To: Invincibly Ignorant

No kidding.


453 posted on 03/22/2010 2:14:47 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: reaganaut

The issue is bigotry.


454 posted on 03/22/2010 2:15:33 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham

Defending Christ from heresies is not bigotry.


455 posted on 03/22/2010 2:16:13 PM PDT by reaganaut (ex-mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Tennessee Nana

Anti Jews? anti Catholics? anti Mormons?
There’s nothing more ugly and vicious than an anti-Mormon.
Yes anti-Mormon. (not anti-mormonism) Its why I’ve heard the call to become a vigilante on these ugly threads.


456 posted on 03/22/2010 2:17:01 PM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: trisham; greyfoxx39
Ok. Show me where on this thread other than lds foundation and current lds theology are there anti-Catholic posts.

Grey last one.

457 posted on 03/22/2010 2:17:16 PM PDT by svcw (Jesus comforts the uncomfortable and makes uncomfortable the comfortable.)
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To: trisham
I'm Catholic. Does that make a difference, or are we all equally despised?

There are folks in these threads that claim to be MORMON Christians; so I guess a MORMION Catholic wouldn't be TOO much of a stretch.

458 posted on 03/22/2010 2:17:23 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: greyfoxx39

OMgoodness forgot to look at the clock. Its just after 2 PST.
Done, done done.
Thanks for reminding me.


459 posted on 03/22/2010 2:18:09 PM PDT by svcw (Jesus comforts the uncomfortable and makes uncomfortable the comfortable.)
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To: greyfoxx39
Same "childish" goal.

It IS getting close to 5:30!

460 posted on 03/22/2010 2:18:13 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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