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WAS A “RESTORATION” OF THE GOSPEL NECESSARY?
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Posted on 03/19/2010 8:59:34 AM PDT by svcw

“Nothing less than a complete apostasy from the Christian religion would warrant the establishment of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.”—History of the Church, Volume 1, p. XL

According to LDS Scripture, the Apostle John (D&C 7) and the three Nephites (3 Nephi 28) never died. So, how could Gospel “authority” have left the earth, needing “restoration”?

“…in the latter times some shall depart from the faith…”—1 Timothy 4:1

If only “some” would depart from the faith, how could a “complete apostasy” have occurred? Did Jesus fail to preserve His Church against the gates of hell?

“I will build MY church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.” —Matthew 16:18

“...that you should earnestly contend for the faith which was once [for all time] delivered unto the saints.” —Jude 3

“...but though we, or an angel from heaven preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.” —Galatians 1:9


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To: Normandy; Colofornian; svcw; reaganaut; SZonian; Godzilla; Elsie; Tennessee Nana; Utah Binger; ...
If people want to believe differently then that is fine. We are happy to let people worship as they please.

"We are HAPPY to LET people worship as they please"?

The Law of the Harvest Practical Principles of Effective Missionary Work

The Law of the Harvest
Practical Principles of Effective Missionary Work
Introduction
The responsibility to share the gospel is a defining obligation of Latter-day Saint (LDS) membership. President Ezra Taft Benson taught, "As members of the Lord's Church, we must take missionary work more seriously. The Lord's commission to 'preach the gospel to every creature' (Mark 16:15) will never change in our dispensation. We have been greatly blessed with the material means, the technology, and an inspired message to bring the gospel to all men. More is expected of us than any previous generation. Where 'much is given much is required' (D&C 82:3)."[1] Elder Bruce R. McConkie stated, "If you will ponder it in your mind, you will come up, in my judgment, with the conclusion that we could bring immeasurably more people into the Church than we are now doing. We could fellowship more than we are now fellowshipping; in practice this could be five or ten or twenty times as many as we are now baptizing. Perhaps in due course it should be 24 times or 100 times as many as at present."[2] The productivity of LDS missionary efforts has declined in recent years in spite of increasing but underutilized opportunities. The discrepancy between potential and actual church growth largely reflects the discrepancy between the Lord's commandments and our actual performance. Sincere, dedicated missionaries and members often experience limited success because of a lack of understanding of essential principles.

-SNIP-

The publication of the Preach My Gospel manual in September 2004 represented a major step forward for the LDS missionary program. For the first time in the history of the standardized missionary program, all LDS missionaries were educated about their own essential role in ensuring convert activity through quality prebaptismal preparation.

-SNIP-

Other denominations lack the full gospel, modern revelation, and the divine authority that are necessary to build Christ's Kingdom on Earth. LDS and non-LDS missionary efforts are not equivalent. Nonetheless, it would be a mistake to categorically dismiss positive lessons from other groups without careful investigation and analysis. Selected items are presented in the same spirit that Joseph Smith proclaimed: "Have the Presbyterians any truth? Yes. Have the Baptists, Methodists, etc., any truth? Yes. They all have a little truth mixed with error. We should gather all the good and true principles in the world and treasure them up, or we shall not come out true 'Mormons.'"[3] Citations from successful evangelists of other faiths are used to corroborate many of my longstanding observations in an LDS setting. Statistical comparisons with other faiths are also employed, as claims of "rapid growth" are meaningless without contextualizing benchmarks. To make comparisons as appropriate as possible, high-commitment groups such as Jehovah's Witnesses and Seventh-Day Adventists are most frequently used in comparisons rather than low-commitment Protestantand evangelical groups.

Sorry, Normandy...THIS doesn't sound like such a benign, "We'll let others worship as they please" tactic. It sound much more like a marketing tactic by a for-profit organization.


141 posted on 03/19/2010 4:05:17 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (I used to eat a lot of natural foods until I learned that most people die of natural causes.)
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To: Saundra Duffy
As a Pentecostal (type) I have never once heard that you need to "lead a clean and pure life in order to be saved".

I have seen churches split over carpet and pews but the fundamental belief was the same.

You are the only mormon who I have ever knew who said "We Mormons believe that Jesus Christ is the Savior, Redeemer - the Great Jehovah in the Old Testament and the Savior in the New Testament

My uncle the former bishop makes fun of me and calls me a "primitive believer" because I believe that Jesus Christ is Savior.

As a side note even though these churches may have different styles of music worship or carpet or length of service or when they meet the bottom line is they are all part of the Body of Christ and associate with each and consider each other family. I do not see this when say someone leaves lds.

142 posted on 03/19/2010 4:08:03 PM PDT by svcw (Jesus comforts the uncomfortable and makes uncomfortable the comfortable.)
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To: greyfoxx39

“the mormons are attacking the RCC every day in every way trying to steal the RCC sheep. That doesn’t make for “good neighbors”.”

If people want to believe in Mormonism which claims historical authenticity, despite there not being one single piece of evidnce supporting it - that’s their business. We don’t need such unthinking people. Jedi is closer to being a real religion than Mormonism.


143 posted on 03/19/2010 4:11:01 PM PDT by Lou Budvis
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To: Lou Budvis
If people want to believe in Mormonism which claims historical authenticity, despite there not being one single piece of evidnce supporting it - that’s their business. We don’t need such unthinking people. Jedi is closer to being a real religion than Mormonism.

Agreed. See my post #141.

144 posted on 03/19/2010 4:12:48 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (I used to eat a lot of natural foods until I learned that most people die of natural causes.)
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To: svcw

As a Pentecostal (type) I have never once heard that you need to “lead a clean and pure life in order to be saved”.
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“Just as I am” comes to mind...


145 posted on 03/19/2010 4:14:53 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Elsie
I put my mouse over YOUR link (The Scriptures) and I didn't see a 4 in front of it.
Are you some kind of DECEIVER?

SSHHHhhhhh....( That's the same link resty used for her caucus thread.....)

146 posted on 03/19/2010 4:15:01 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (I used to eat a lot of natural foods until I learned that most people die of natural causes.)
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To: Lou Budvis
Jedi is closer to being a real religion than Mormonism.

That is cleaver.

147 posted on 03/19/2010 4:15:27 PM PDT by svcw (Jesus comforts the uncomfortable and makes uncomfortable the comfortable.)
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To: Invincibly Ignorant

Aren’t you missed by your village somewhere?

www.democraticunderground.com


148 posted on 03/19/2010 4:16:05 PM PDT by SZonian (We began as a REPUBLIC, a nation of laws. We became a DEMOCRACY, majority rules. Next step is?)
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To: xzins; P-Marlowe
Anyone who claims the gospel needed restoring is in direct opposition to scripture.

Exactly, it flies in the face of EVERYTHING in the Bible and the beliefs of ALL Christians.

Reformation, yes.

Even the Catholic Church acknowledged the need for reform and it made reforms.

149 posted on 03/19/2010 4:16:55 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: SZonian
Aren’t you missed by your village somewhere? www.democraticunderground.com

I'll take that as an "Duh, I dunno" as well. :-)

150 posted on 03/19/2010 4:17:22 PM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: Invincibly Ignorant

Philip, the Ethiopian, and the Holy Spirit


151 posted on 03/19/2010 4:18:25 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Tennessee Nana
I love that song.

Just as I am, without one plea,

But that Thy blood was shed for me,

And that Thou bidst me come to Thee,

O Lamb of God, I come, I come.

Just as I am, and waiting not

To rid my soul of one dark blot,

To Thee whose blood can cleanse each spot,

O Lamb of God, I come, I come.

Just as I am, though tossed about

With many a conflict, many a doubt,

Fightings and fears within, without,

O Lamb of God, I come, I come.

Just as I am, poor, wretched, blind;

Sight, riches, healing of the mind,

Yea, all I need in Thee to find,

O Lamb of God, I come, I come.

Just as I am, Thou wilt receive,

Wilt welcome, pardon, cleanse, relieve;

Because Thy promise I believe,

O Lamb of God, I come, I come.

Just as I am, Thy love unknown

Hath broken every barrier down;

Now, to be Thine, yea, Thine alone,

O Lamb of God, I come, I come.

Just as I am, of that free love

The breadth, length, depth, and height to prove,

Here for a season, then above,

O Lamb of God, I come, I come!

152 posted on 03/19/2010 4:20:06 PM PDT by svcw (Jesus comforts the uncomfortable and makes uncomfortable the comfortable.)
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To: Invincibly Ignorant

Do as you will.

Good luck in your eternal search for “Social Justice”.

You will have much better luck with people of similar opinion in search of the same here...
www.democraticunderground.com


153 posted on 03/19/2010 4:23:23 PM PDT by SZonian (We began as a REPUBLIC, a nation of laws. We became a DEMOCRACY, majority rules. Next step is?)
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To: xzins
Philip, the Ethiopian, and the Holy Spirit

The same crowd waiting for him in Azotus. I get it.

154 posted on 03/19/2010 4:25:23 PM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: SZonian
Do as you will. Good luck in your eternal search for “Social Justice”. You will have much better luck with people of similar opinion in search of the same here... www.democraticunderground.com

Good luck to you as well in your quest for "my Jesus is better than yours" lol

155 posted on 03/19/2010 4:26:27 PM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: svcw

Thats the one...

Its usually sung during an alter call/invitation for salvation

You notice there are no words in the song about being cleaned up first BEFORE you come...

JUST AS I AM


156 posted on 03/19/2010 4:27:53 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana

Does your bishop know that you are usurping the role of a mormon priest ???

**

making it personal

BTW LDS women have all the knowledge of the Priesthood


157 posted on 03/19/2010 4:28:04 PM PDT by restornu
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To: svcw; Lou Budvis

“May the force of the mormon pesthood be with you” ???


158 posted on 03/19/2010 4:29:49 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Invincibly Ignorant

I don’t understand your answer.

The Ethiopian wasn’t in Azotus.


159 posted on 03/19/2010 4:30:11 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: restornu
BTW LDS women have all the knowledge of the Priesthood

Maybe, but you aren't permitted to use it.

160 posted on 03/19/2010 4:30:18 PM PDT by svcw (Jesus comforts the uncomfortable and makes uncomfortable the comfortable.)
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