Posted on 03/16/2010 10:51:13 AM PDT by Paragon Defender
According to your list, the LDS DO NOT qualify. I was LDS for several years, faithful memeber, temple ‘worthy’, etc. and then I became a Christian. They are not the same.
If you want an accurate overview of LDS history/doctrine these sites are good places to start:
www.utlm.org
www.irr.org/mit
Wow! What an utter falsehood! (And you, PD, are passing this on as some sort of pretense of "truth"?)
Here's one of the opening salvos that the Lds church did upon the Christian church in its "First Vision":
18 My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)—and which I should join. 19 I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; (Joseph Smith History vv. 18-19 in Pearl of Great Price)
I would say calling all their creeds an "abomination" is attack[ing], denigrat[ing], undermin[ing] AND belittl[ing]!!!!
Besides, Lds.org, Lds curricula, Lds mags:
...talk about the "universal apostasy" -- thereby effectively calling all Christians you discussed that with "apostates?"
...cite D&C 1:30, thereby implying that Lds represent the "only true and living church upon the face of the earth"?
Etc, etc, etc!!!
The concept of “Christianity” is meaningless today.
re: I regard Catholicism as a denomination of Christianity
A “denomination” of a meaningless concept, is a meaningless denomination
re: (Catholicism) which is no less fallible, and no more ordained than any other denomination. I am sure there are erroneous interpretations of scripture in the Catholic church,
There do not exist any erroneous dogmas in the Catholic Church. Not a one. It has defined numerous absolute infallible truths. They are absolute truths. The Protestants do no have ONE SINGLE DOCTRINE which is not denied by other Protestants. They do not posses one single absolute truth, which is not denied by other Protestant.
Calling oneself Christian today has no meaning.
awwww...thanks.
Rites are an external symbol of an internal event. The latter is necessary for salvation. The former we do by the command of God as a testament to the world, our bretheren, and our own souls. If this were not so, how is it that the thief beside Christ on the cross was able to enter into glory?
"Then he [the thief] said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.” Jesus answered him, “I tell you the truth, today you will be with me in paradise.”"
Luke 23:41
Who not being baptized by fire (The Holy Ghost) can enter into God's presence?
No ritual is needed for God to provide the Holy Ghost to the repentant soul.
James says "show me your works and I will show you your faith" and "faith without works is dead".
The point being that true faith will bring forth works of its own accord, and that "faith" that does not do this is dead. Salvation is in faith alone (see especially Rom. 3).
Thanks for the ping.
James 5:
19 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;
20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.
Is that the official Mormon position?
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No it is not. According to the LDS the ‘apostasy’ occured after the death of the original 12 apostles and was in full swing by the Council of Nicaea.
No, those are not plausible explanations..
You cannot make excuses for heresy and say its OK, its Christianity anyway...
These tenets of mormonism are blasphemy...
1. Believing there are multiple gods.
2. Believing that God was once a man.
3. Believing that you can become God. does not complement the Bible. These beliefs are blasphemous.
Just on these pagan beliefs...
Mormonism is not Christianity...
Jesus said to JAKraig, “I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No man or woman comes to the Father except by ME.”
Then why do Catholics get their knickers in a knot if someone even suggests that they aren't Christians?
Protestants base their beliefs on the Bible, which the Catholic Church claims to have authored. If the Catholic church did indeed write Scripture as it claims, then why does the Catholic church say Protestants wrong for going back to IT instead of following traditions and teachings of men they have set up since then?
That is odd, when I sit in an ecumenical ministry with Baptist, Methodist, and Catholics (as well as others) we share numerous truths, none the least of which is the value and importance of Christ redeeming Grace.
Our faiths recognize each others baptism. Indeed I have been a member of what would perhaps be the two most extremely “different” Christians organizations there are, the Methodist Church and the Orthodox faith. The orthodox gladly accepted my Methodist baptism and recorded it in my Orthodox records. I also have a friend who joined the Catholic faith (at a very conservative Catholic Church) from a Southern Baptist tradition and her baptism was accepted there.
So exactly where are these total disagreements again?
Jesus didn't have any trouble with it with the thief on the cross. You know, the one who was mocking Him initially and then had a change of heart.
Why should you?
LOL. you are incorrect. Baptism by water is not necesarrily a requirement and Baptism by fire is not an ordinance.
And you use the same argument as the LDS do about works being required according to James, but that is a misreading of James.
The context of James shows that his concern, re: works, was about love and how certain Christians were elevating the wealthy in their local church and ignoring the poor. James agrees with common modern Christian view that Christians do good works BECAUSE we are saved, not IN ORDER to be saved.
Deathbed confessions? What about the thief on the cross. No time for baptism, no time for works. He just believed.
If works are required, IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, or FORM, then it is not Salvation by Grace. If you are required to do ANY work, then you are liable to keep the whole law (Romans).
Oh snap...
I do not claim to speak for every organization that claims to be a Protestant denomination, or every organization that claims the title of “Christian”. Some may very well hold beliefs which are contrary to the fundamentals of Christianity. The Christian label is not meaningless, though it is often misused.
As to whether the Catholic church holds erroneous dogmas, I would certainly disagree. There is simply no basis for the belief that doctrinal infallibility rests in any one man or one heirarchy. Christ is the only path to Salvation ... the Catholic church is not the only path to Christ. That we disagree in this regard does not bother me in the least.
If you regard Christianity as a “meaningless concept”, then go your own way.
SnakeDoc
Welcome to FRee Republic, n00b...
So are you saying that mormons are Christians ???
Thats what this thread is about...
This is not a Catholics V Protestants thread...
Very well said.
I’ve met plenty of people who consider themselves *good* Catholics who didn’t live anywhere near a Christlike life. But by gosh, they sure were diligent about doing the *Do’s* and not doing the *Don’t’s* that the church required of them.
Wouldn’t you agree that someone who believes in Jesus Christ as the Son of God and Redeemer of mankind through his Atonement, maybe someone that is, say, Christian?
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I’m not the FReeper who said that...
Personally though, I dont believe it...
The statement is full of mormon error...
As well as some Baptist who are as well ;-)
(disclosure I am a Methodist with an Orthodox flair)
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