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To: JAKraig

LOL. you are incorrect. Baptism by water is not necesarrily a requirement and Baptism by fire is not an ordinance.

And you use the same argument as the LDS do about works being required according to James, but that is a misreading of James.

The context of James shows that his concern, re: works, was about love and how certain Christians were elevating the wealthy in their local church and ignoring the poor. James agrees with common modern Christian view that Christians do good works BECAUSE we are saved, not IN ORDER to be saved.

Deathbed confessions? What about the thief on the cross. No time for baptism, no time for works. He just believed.

If works are required, IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, or FORM, then it is not Salvation by Grace. If you are required to do ANY work, then you are liable to keep the whole law (Romans).


133 posted on 03/16/2010 1:42:16 PM PDT by reaganaut (ex-mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: reaganaut; JAKraig

Romans 4

1What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather, discovered in this matter? 2If, in fact, Abraham was justified by works, he had something to boast about—but not before God. 3What does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.”

4Now when a man works, his wages are not credited to him as a gift, but as an obligation. 5However, to the man who does not work but trusts God who justifies the wicked, his faith is credited as righteousness. 6David says the same thing when he speaks of the blessedness of the man to whom God credits righteousness apart from works:

7”Blessed are they
whose transgressions are forgiven,
whose sins are covered.

8Blessed is the man
whose sin the Lord will never count against him.”


142 posted on 03/16/2010 1:48:29 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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