"Well, isn't that convenient?"
Posted on 03/15/2010 12:07:15 PM PDT by Colofornian
Edited on 03/23/2010 6:15:31 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
When Glenn Beck told listeners of his radio show on March 2 that they should "run as fast as you can" from any church that preached "social or economic justice" because those were code words for Communism and Nazism, he probably thought he was tweaking a few crunchy religious liberals who didn't listen to the show anyway. Instead he managed to outrage Christians in most mainline Protestant denominations, African-American congregations, Hispanic churches, and Catholics...
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Yes (boy that was easy)
You do realize that while there is history in the Bible, it’s not a history book.
If you're talking about God's intention, yes, then this would be an accurate statement.
Who are you to say that he hasn’t?
I was merely echoing Reaganaut's observation -- namely, that if Mr. G. Beck is going to start critiquing everything under the banner of "social justice" as being Marxist or Communistic [certainly some of it needs to be critiqued as such], then it comes across as trying to remove sawdust from some overextended "social justice" types -- all the while having a United Order communistic California redwood jutting out from his spiritual ancestors' eyes!
The sawdust is real; it's problematic. But Brigham was the Communist who established Orderville built using CA redwoods -- based upon the Marxist-like philosophy of Joseph Smith, who dredged up the idea of a Marxist "United Order" and called it a "revelation" from God that would be everlasting.
Now since it's not "everlasting" -- since Lds "prophet" John Taylor dismantled it, knowing full well that due, in part, to "our own imperfections" (His words, not mine), it would not work...then that would make Joseph Smith a false prophet, now wouldn't it?
(I mean, you haven't heard Hinckley or Monson mention reviving the "everlasting United Order," have you? And the "everlasting United Order" hasn't been stricken from your Doctrine & Covenants, has it?)
They are code words for that. And, since when did government welfare become the Christian thing to do? The Bible commands the church and individual Christians to assist the poor. Turn that responsibility over to government is to abandon that responsibility.
Your potential Messiah is better than no Messiah! :)
And, since when did government welfare become the Christian thing to do?
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It goes back to the days of state run Churches, when the Church and the state were the same.
Religious people of all sorts may or may not be under a "demonic spell." Since I don't know who is and who isn't, I try not to assume they are. I try to recall what the apostle Paul said: "That we wrestle not against flesh and blood."
What was the apostle Paul's approach to religious people?
As his custom was, Paul went into the synagogue, and on three Sabbath days he reasoned with them from the Scriptures...(Acts 17:2)
Every Sabbath he reasoned in the synagogue, trying to persuade Jews and Greeks. (Acts 18:4)
"This man," they charged, "is persuading the people to worship God in ways contrary to the law." (Acts 18:13)
Apollos did the same thing in Acts 18.
“No Hell, just ‘Three Heavens.’”
Three degrees of heaven and outer darkness actually.
“Secret Golden Tablets that no one has seen.”
Not secret at all and seen by several witnesses. None that you care about I am sure.
It doesn’t matter what anyone says about Christianity. What matters is your faith.
Christ is cursed to this day by those who hate Him and so does that mean you are less of a Christian?
Leave Beck be. Worry about your own soul.
Our souls are fine, redeemed by the Blood of Christ and that is why we worry about the souls of those trapped in legalism like Beck.
Where/in whome you place your faith matters. The LDS place their faith in their Church rather than in Christ alone.
Been there, done that.
Riiight. Like I believe this. All they have to do is show them publicly....
Well, let's just apply your philosophy for a moment (as stated above): What matters is your faith...Leave Beck be. Worry about your own soul.
First of all, why should I "worry" about a soul already purchased by Christ via the cross, & rests securely in that purchase? (Can you cite me any Biblical passage about "worrying for your own soul" all amidst the passages Christ says about NOT having anxiety?)
Secondly, if we were to apply your philosophy consistently, then to quote you, I guess I'd have to say: "Leave Colofornian be. Worry about your own soul."
As you can see, when your words don't match your actions, there's trouble afoot within the very foundation. If you can't be consistent even as you state your own philosophy, then please don't export it!
The bondage of legalism is a demonic spell. It most often originates from the pastor and its sign are unmistakable. To counter such a spiritual spell takes prayer and argument without such prayer will only embolden its practitioners.
Sorry Colofornian, but I am talking about you accusing, in a sly way, Beck of not knowing the history of the Mormon Church.
Sorry, but Brigham Young wasn’t Communist, no more than the early Christians, just after the death of Christ were. There is plenty of evidence that they practiced a “united Order” type of living. It talks about it in the book of Acts.
“Secret Golden Tablets that no one has seen.”
Not secret at all and seen by several witnesses. None that you care about I am sure.
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No kid nobody saw the so called “golden plates/tablets”
Sept 21 is equinox, the night that occultists like Joey Smith believed that spirits (demons) would tell them whre to find hidden gold...
Joey Smith was a money digger, he pretended he could find hidden money and gold (Spanish gold) for a price...he was a conman...
Joey Smith claimed that spirits told him one year on Sept 21 to go and dig for gold...he got up from his bed and went to dig...he found some gold plates...he was told to leave them there and come back the next year...
For three more years Joey claimns he went back just on Sept 21st and looked at the gold plates...
On the 4th Sept 21st Joey Smith claimed he was told to take the gold plates home...
He claims he ran 2 miles with 600 pounds of solid gold plates...
However this gets even stranger when it comes to the so called “translating” of the so called gold plates” ...
because Joey Smith claims he “translated” the plates WITHOUT EVEN LOOKIBNG AT THEM...
He just put his old trusty pet rock money finding rock in his hat and pretended to read that instead...
(That same old rock had been his fortune in the past...why change the method of income now ???)
To keep his new scam secret, Joey kept the object hidden and only let people “see” a lump covered by a cloth...
Some may have touched the outside BUT NOBODY ACTUAKKT SAW ANY GOLDEN PLATES...
Nobody could truthfully testify that what Joey Smith SAID was golden plates was really golden plates...
Nobody could testify as to what was under the cloth...
The so called eight “witnesses all had a finacial stake in the deception...
They were members of the smith family or they were closely involved and would benefit from the so called “golden plates”
Joey Smith might have fooled some of his so called “witnesses” but others just went along with yet another of Joey Smith’s latest money making schemes...
All of the so called “witnesses” later admitted that they had lied when they said they had actually SEEN the so called “golden plates”
There never was any golden plates or golden tablets...
Just another of Joey Smith’s wild talltales...
Even his own mother said that Joey Smith could tell some whoppers...
Lucy Mack Smith tells about Joey’s Tall Tales
Smith’s mother, Lucky Mack Smith, said about her 17 yo son, Joseph Smith, Junior:
“During our evening conversations, Joseph would occasionally give us some of the most amusing recitals that could be imagined. He would describe the ancient inhabitants of the continent, their dress, mode of traveling, and the animals upon which they rode; their cities, their buildings, with every particular; their mode of warfare; and also their religious worship. This he would do with as much ease, seemingly, as if he had spent his whole life among them. On the twenty-second of September, 1824, Joseph again visited the place where he found the plates the year previous; and supporting at this time that the only thing required, in order to possess them until the time for their translation, was to be able to keep the commandments of God...he fully expected to carry them home with him. (Lucy Mack Smith, edited by Preston Nibley, History of Joseph Smith, p. 83, Bookcraft, Salt Lake City, 1958)
What Mormons often miss in this account is that Lucy Mack Smith was saying Joseph gave these storied details before he ever even “interpreted” these gold plates. [The context of her story is that Smith is age 17 & he’s about to retrieve the gold plates again a year after being given them...and he’s yet to interpret them]. A lot of it was either already there or influenced by other author(s) of his era — in his active, imaginative mind!
“Secret Golden Tablets that no one has seen.”
Not secret at all and seen by several witnesses. None that you care about I am sure.
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Oh about the so called “golden plates” and what happened to them later...
That was easy for the practiced liar, Joey Smith ...
He just blamed the mormon god...
Joey Smith claimed that an angel took them away back into the mormon after life...
Gosh wouldntcha think that they should have been put in the Arc next to the 10 Commandments ???
"Well, isn't that convenient?"
:)
Not secret at all and seen by several witnesses.
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If you look at the accounts you will see that they ‘saw’ them under a cloth, hefted them without actually seeing them, and ‘saw’ them with their ‘spiritual eyes’ not physical eyes.
Would you like me to post the sources for you?
His death on the Cross alone has not done anything for those who think they can do or say anything they want because they are forgiven. They have to believe and live a certain way to receive that gift.
Repentance, humility, forgiveness, good will, love and all of the virtues that Christ espoused must be part of the rebuilding of oneself in order to receive that gift. This is all part of preparing YOUR SELF.
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