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xone: What he was before is little consequence, again the non-baptism of a believer. Paul wasn't a model Christian before he was called by God.

That's something you should have posted to wmfights who said Ambrose is the one being quoted in this thread "Mary is the Temple of God". It's good to know the real background.
As the histories point out He was not as deep a theologian when made bishop -- true, but his epistles date fromAFTER that, when he made the effort to learn and to teach what he had learnt. And this was effective -- St. Augustine heard this and converted! and as you, xone, correctly pointed out The important part, he was saved, and provided instruction that others could be as well. Hallelujah.

Ambrose was a saintly man -- whether he started out bad (like Paul or Augstine), he was saved and became a Doctor of The Church and spread and taught Church doctrine.

[wmfights]

Ambrose was a saintly man -- whether he started out bad (like Paul or Augstine), he was saved and became a Doctor of The Church and spread and taught Church doctrine.

From what I've seen he was a political appointment that helped your church become an integral part of the state. Ambrose came from the ruling class and was comfortable at the highest levels of imperial power. He was a masterful politician who was very good at creating enemies of the state out of any Jews, pagans, or non conforming Christians.

Ambrose is a clear point where aristocrats began to control your church. It can be claimed he came from a good Christian home, but there is no indication of it in his actions or his father. Once in power his crowning achievement is increasing your church's power. He supported the persecution of the Jews and was involved in the growth of the cult of relics, not the behavior of someone I would consider a notable Christian.