Posted on 03/12/2010 7:02:37 AM PST by Colofornian
Women have a sacred role in the sanctification and purification of men, Elder Glenn L. Pace of the Seventy told students and faculty during the campus devotional in the Marriott Center at BYU on Tuesday, March 9.
Reflecting on the love he felt from his mother, sister, wife and daughters, Elder Pace spoke of the positive influence women have had on his life.
Speaking specifically about a time when his daughter fell asleep in his arms, Elder Pace noted the comfort it must have brought his daughter to be held by her father. He realized afterward that even greater was the peace and comfort she brought to him.
Looking to the Savior as an example, Elder Pace spoke of the love and respect He bestowed upon women.
"As we read about these associations, our focus is generally on what He teaches them and the love and understanding He gives them," Elder Pace said. "Have you ever considered the possibility that these women provided immense comfort to His burdened soul? It is my belief that He needed them as He journeyed toward living a perfect life in order that He could provide the ultimate sacrifice."
Just as the Savior needed righteous women, so do men today in purifying and sanctification in their lives.
Sharing excerpts from the story of the creation found in the book of Abraham, Elder Pace told of how the earth was created before Eve where Adam had been placed in the Garden of Eden. In the garden, Adam was enjoying a utopia in physical surroundings as well as open communication with God. Still, it was not complete without Eve.
"I believe the Father's statement 'It is not good that the man should be alone' (Genesis 2:18) had a much more profound meaning than the obvious biological implications," he said. "It also went further than providing Adam with company. Adam's ability to obtain the purification necessary to get back into the presence of God was dependent upon his continuous association with Eve."
In order for men and women to obtain the highest degree of celestial glory, there is need to be married, Elder Porter said.
"There is a limit to our spiritual development as long as we are single. There is a spiritual development which can only be obtained when a man and a woman join their incomplete selves into a complete couple," he said. "Just as conception requires the physical union of male and female, perfection requires the union of the very souls of male and female."
Although single men and women can accomplish great things on their own, they are incomplete until united intellectually, emotionally, physically and most important, spiritually, he said.
"The world we live in has gone awry with its focus on the physical part of the male and female relationship. If there is too much focus on the physical, the vital areas of intellectual, emotional and spiritual union are not being placed in an environment where they can flourish and grow."
Elder Pace spoke of the obsession the current society has on "making love," rather than developing a complete relationship that enables "expressing love." Because melding divine natures is a necessary element in bringing about perfection, Elder Pace said, individuals must guard against any deterioration of those natures.
"If the world keeps chipping away at the divine nature of women, it is probable that our relationships in marriage will not bring about the sanctification necessary for exaltation or, at a minimum, the process will be delayed," he said.
Referring to the phrase, "men have the priesthood and women have been given the blessing of procreation," Elder Pace spoke of the importance of each role in a relationship, and the ability couples have to complement one another in their eternal roles.
"It is the marriage ceremony in the temple where husband and wife receive the power to perfect their relationship and, thereby, obtain their exaltation."
As individuals work together to become a whole, as the Lord has commanded, they work together to become a combination of complementary capacities and characteristics.
"Sisters, I testify that when you stand in front of your heavenly parents in those royal courts on high and you look into Her eyes and behold Her countenance, any question you ever had about the role of women in the kingdom will evaporate into the rich celestial air, because at that moment you will see standing directly in front of you, your divine nature and destiny."
We believe the sealing bond of marriage continues in heaven.
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You forgot that that only applies to those worthy of the CK (and thus godhood)
Well I have NO DOUBT I will be bonded with my husband in heaven, but because we are both Christians who have placed their faith in Christ alone (not a church) for salvation, not because of any stolen Masonic rites or fraudulent ‘priesthood’ (Christ is our only High Priest).
And as CC pointed out, Mrreaganaut and I will not only be bound together but we will be bound to all other believers in Christ. And what the LDS do not seem to get is that earthly, physical marriage is NOT the highest form of relationship. It is only a weak reflection of the Marriage between Christ and His Church.
Once again the LDS build entire doctrines around unbiblical concepts.
What other Christian Church in history has NOT viewed women as inferior to men? Can you honestly say YOUR church has NEVER viewed women as inferior, ever?
I’ve repeatedly seen you craft arguments against my faith that is much more devastating to yours. This is just one of them.
Lastly, as an ex-military intelligency guy, I find it remarkable at how easy you seem to disregard proper analysis of documents. Case in point is your misrepresentation of Heber Kimball. He wasn’t describing women as inferior; he was describing how the act of marriage doesn’t faze him just like buying a cow is no big deal. Since it takes two to tango, if you interpret his statement to mean women are inferior, then that would mean he thought of himself as inferior as well. After all, there can be no polygamous wife without having her married to a man.
I’ve tended to avoid rude people, those who resort to ridicule instead of crafting a proper response. If you want to engage me in a conversation, be a professional, and maintain the standards that you learned in the military.
I work with a lot of former officers in the US military - (even here in Canada, my entire team are Americans, only one of whom is not ex-military). Not once have I encountered one who treats a subject matter he disagrees with in such a disrespectful and dismissive manner.
I do not believe Catholicism or Protestantism are correct, but I do not write about them the way you do concerning my faith. That’s just embarassing.
BTW Edward...
When you said to me ...
“Mormons believe men and women are equal. In fact, we believe women are naturally more righteous than men. This is why the Priesthood is given only to men since we need it in order to approach the spiritual level of women.
Where does polygamy fit in for women ???
Do you think women will be equal in the mormon after life and have more than one husband ???
Does their superior righteousness allow for that privilege ???
If a woman has been a widow and remarried will she be with both husbands ???
I’m just checking to see how far the equality will go...
Again with the sex.
What is this obsession with sex anyways?
Tell me Edward - will your wives be with you? Or will they spend eternity with their parents - or will your children be with you? or with their spouses. How exactly does that eternal marriage work?
I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is not true.
17 It no sooner appeared than I found myself delivered from the enemy which held me bound. When the light rested upon me I saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the otherThis is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!
18 My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)and which I should join.
19 I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.
20 He again forbade me to join with any of them; and many other things did he say unto me, which I cannot write at this time. When I came to myself again, I found myself lying on my back, looking up into heaven. When the light had departed, I had no strength; but soon recovering in some degree, I went home. And as I leaned up to the fireplace, mother inquired what the matter was. I replied, Never mind, all is wellI am well enough off. I then said to my mother,
former mormon president, seer and revelator Hinkley is on record stating the the Jesus of mormonism is not the Jesus of Christianity.
This is clearly spelled out by their doctrine
Mormon Jesus is a created being, spirit brother to satan as well as you and I.
The mormon Jesus is one God in a mormon pantheon of gods inhabiting the universe
The sacrifice of Jesus only allowed for a general resurrection.
The Jesus of Christianity is the uncreated God the Son, eternal and almighty, creator of angels and man
The Jesus of Christianity is part of the Singular Trinity - one God, three Persons,continually sharing the singular divinity.
The Jesus of Christianity's sacrifice paid the FULL price for our sins and continually cleanses us, bring us straight to the Heavenly Father upon our death.
True Christians are generous and large in spirit, not denying others of their relationship with God and Christ just because there are differences in how you relate to them. It is utterly crappy and childish to claim Christ all to yourself and others who think like you and to deny him to anyone else.
Trusting in and following a fictitious Christ will result in a fictitious salvation, no matter how sincere we may be. Show where we are 'denying' him to anyone else. Jesus Himself said some would say "lord, lord" on that day, and Jesus will say "I never knew you"
That is NEVER anything Christ taught nor is it Christian. This is all I will have to say on the matter because I hate wasting time on such ugliness of soul which is antithetical to the love of Christ.
Who do you think Jesus was speaking to when He said "REPENT"? Who was Peter speaking to in Acts on Pentecost? Who was Paul speaking to throughout his epistles? They all were speaking to correct and bring people to the correct truth.
So true!
And they STILL show the MORMON religious Organization for what it is!
I believe in Christ who is God - has always been God - there is no other God, nor will there ever BE another God.
Is He the same Christ of Mormonism? Now don’t lie MissesBush - I was a Mormon for 45 years.
To Whom It May Concern:
On April 5, 2002, at the 173rd Annual General Conference of The Corporation of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, the following was presented by President Thomas S. Monson, First Counselor in the First Presidency of the Church:
In early January of this year, the First Presidency announced that a revelation had been received by President Gordon B. Hinkley extending priesthood and temple blessings to all members of the Church, regardless of gender. President Hinkley has asked that I advise the conference that after he had received this revelation, which came to him after extended consultation with his marketing advisors , he presented it to his counselors, who accepted it under duress and approved it. It was then presented to the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, who, after much back biting and evil speaking, unanimously approved it, and was subsequently presented to all other General Authorities, who likewise knew on which side their bread was buttered.
President Hinckley has asked that I now read this letter:
January 12, 2003
To all general and local priesthood officers of The Corporation of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints throughout the world:
Dear Brethren:
As we have witnessed the slowing expansion of the church of the Lord, we have been grateful that credulous people of both genders have responded to the message of the restored gospel, though in many parts of the world there are insufficient active, priesthood-holding men to run even a small branch. This, in turn, has inspired us with a desire to extend to every worthy member of the Church all of the privileges and blessings which the gospel affords.
Aware of the groundless personal biases of the prophets and presidents of the Church who have preceded us, yet witnessing the faithfulness of those sisters from whom the priesthood has been withheld, we have pleaded long and earnestly with the less enlightened brethren on behalf of these, our faithful sisters, spending many hours in the Upper Room of the Temple twisting arms and threatening imeritus status.
Also, the Lord has heard our prayers, and by revelation has confirmed that we have been sexist pigs and control freaks and that the long-overdue day has come when every faithful, worthy person in the Church may receive the holy priesthood, with power to exercise its divine authority, and enjoy with her loved ones every blessing that flows there-from, including the blessings of telling men what to do. Accordingly, all worthy members of the Church may be ordained to the priesthood without regard for gender or sexual orientation. Priesthood leaders are instructed to follow the policy of carefully interviewing all candidates for ordination to either the Aaronic or the Melchizedek Priesthood to insure that they meet the established standards for worthiness. Priesthood leaders are also reminded that what people do in the privacy of their own bedrooms is none of your business.
We declare with soberness that the Lord has now made known his will for the blessing of all his children throughout the earth who will hearken to the voice of his authorized servants, and prepare themselves to receive every blessing of the gospel.
Sincerely yours,
GORDON B. HINCKLEY
THOMAS S. MONSON
JAMES E. FAUST
The First Presidency
Recognizing Gordon B. Hinckley as the prophet, seer, and chief executive officer of The Corporation of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, it is proposed that we as a constituent assembly accept this revelation as the word and will of the Lord. All in favor please signify by raising your right hand. Any opposed can shove it up their *.
The vote to sustain the foregoing motion was unanimous in the affirmative.
Salt Lake City, Utah, April 5, 2003.
These are sacred topics and we wish people would be more respectful of our faith.
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That’s what we Christians have been saying to you mormons all along...
Your Joey Smith started this with his rude nasty remarks about Christians nearly 200 years ago...
Enough already, kid...
How do you know my Christ is not the same Christ who came to earth 2000, who died on the cross and rose from the dead?
Such arrogance! Such hubris.
Can you give a million dollars if you don’t have it? Can you give the flu to someone if you don’t have it? What then makes you think you can force God to accept your status as valid just on your say so?
One cannot give what one doesn’t have.
Also, just look at that distortion of the Scripture. Using “royal priests” to mean one does NOT need to receive ordinances from a person who holds the genuine priesthood.
Who was Peter addressing? Christians of his time who were baptised and ordained by people who received the authority from Christ himself. Was he talking to you in the 21st century? No. Why then are you arrogantly claiming YOU are one of the “royal priests”? Were you baptised by someone who received his authority straight from Christ?
Did you time travel from the first century to now?
Typical.
Which one?The BIGGEST bunch: based in Salt Lake City?
The next largest - based in Missouri?
Or maybe the Flds - the ONLY ones who actually FOLLOW god's word as found in D&C 132?
Or maybe one of the myriad other splits in MORMONism.
I wonder if you would be willing to poke fun at Jews or Catholics.
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I’m not a mormon...
So not I dont poke fun at Jews or Catholics like mormons do...
I didnt like it when mormons poked fun at my little children and yelled at them they were going to Hell...
Was thet you and your children that laughed when my children cried ???
Added stuff... Changed stuff... Rearranged stuff... Removed stuff...
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Sometimes a cigar...
These are sacred topics
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Capital letters for He His Him ??
No just reverence for the God of the Christian bible...
It sorts out who is who ...
Christians are taught respect for God...
Typical side-stepping without stating the whole truth. I don’t play the ‘milk before meat’ game of the LDS Church. A Christian would never do so. Your yes should be yes and your no, no.
Such arrogance! Such hubris.
I believe in Christ who is God - has always been God - there is no other God, nor will there ever BE another God.
Is He the same Christ of Mormonism? Now don’t lie Edward. I was Mormon for 45 years. You talk to me as if I didn’t spend years in Seminary and Gospel Doctrine classes. You act as if I know nothing of the ‘sacred’ ceremony that closely resembles Masonic ordinances. You think I have not placed the veil on my dearly beloved grandmother as we closed her casket.
Please Edward, just simply tell the whole truth. God expects nothing less and nothing more.
BTW kid ...
Have you been up on the roof yet ???
You were the one who said you want to continue your relationship with your wife...
Plus you were arguing with the Christians about polygamy in the mormon after life...
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