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Amazing, the guy looses his backbone along his way to the coast. Talk about throwing someone a curve ball. Pray for this bishop.
1 posted on 03/10/2010 7:50:04 AM PST by Pope Pius XII
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As an Ex Cath its my understanding that pro-abortion politicians must do a true and heartfelt confession before receiving the sacrament. One must not accept the communion in a state of unrepentant sin.


2 posted on 03/10/2010 7:51:57 AM PST by omega4179 (0 bellowing about insurance companies sounded like Hitler talking about Jews.)
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who said it was better to try to persuade them than to impose sanctions

"Sanctions" That's what it's called now?

3 posted on 03/10/2010 7:52:56 AM PST by a fool in paradise
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Run down a list, how about an adulterer, perjurer, Protestant?


4 posted on 03/10/2010 7:54:22 AM PST by a fool in paradise
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If the Catholic hierarchy doesn’t consider the slaughter of tens of millions of unborn babies a cardinal sin, what in the world does it consider a cardinal sin?


5 posted on 03/10/2010 7:55:22 AM PST by hampdenkid
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“The prelate acknowledged that some of his fellow bishops might favor such a ban, but Dolan said he does not, preferring to follow the lead of Popes John Paul II and Benedict XVI, who said it was better to try to persuade them than to impose sanctions.”

This is why the Church continues to lose credibility on this issue. They should PUBLICLY excommunicate pro-abortion polls. This would increase their credibility, their attendance and their income. The last thing people need is a wishy washy Church leadership.

7 posted on 03/10/2010 7:55:38 AM PST by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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“A spoonful of sugar is better than a spoonful of vinegar any day.”


9 posted on 03/10/2010 7:56:25 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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Thank goodness it’s not Bishop Daniel Dolan of Cincinnati!


10 posted on 03/10/2010 7:59:19 AM PST by IbJensen ((Ps 109.8): "Let his days be few; and let another take his position.")
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Politicians have power over the purse strings and can vote or direct funds to church agencies.. they do not want to risk losing that money

Now a 17 year old scared girl gets an abortion...out she goes..no money no power

12 posted on 03/10/2010 8:03:58 AM PST by RnMomof7
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14 posted on 03/10/2010 8:11:49 AM PST by Campion ("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed imposter")
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Has he mentioned this to the Pope yet?


19 posted on 03/10/2010 8:16:55 AM PST by madison10
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Doesn't confession also include obligatory repentance in order to receive absolution before the person confessing can receive the Eucharist? So, how can unrepentant pro-aboriton, pro gay-marriage politicians receive Communion, when there is obviosuly no repentance and there can be no forgiveness? What does that make the Eucharist? A mockery? And the Church allows this?
20 posted on 03/10/2010 8:17:07 AM PST by kosta50 (The world is the way it is even if YOU don't understand it)
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I don’t know how many times I have to repeat it: publicly denying Communion to a pro-abort is

EXACTLY
WHAT
THEY
WANT
DOLAN
TO
DO

Because then they will be the martyrs and Dolan the Grand Inquisitor.

The bishops lost the ability to impose sanction when they refused to do so back when public opinion would have taken them seriously.

Now they are stuck. If they publicly confront the Pelosis, Pelosis turns it back against them. If they don’t publicly confront the Pelosis get away with murder.

Yeah, sooner or later they are going to have to excommunicate the Pelosis and take the heat.

But all of you folks out their screaming for the bishops to take this step

WHAT WILL YOU DO TO COVER THEIR BACKS WHEN THEY FINALLY DO IT?

Do you realize what will happen when they do it? Will you do something to change the public backlash? What exactly will you do?

Armchair bishop-scolding is cheap. What exactly are we going to do to help make this work when the bishops finally do it?

Do you realize that the horses are out of the barn, that the Pelosis know they are now beyond the reach of the bishops? That the Pelosis don’t give a damn about any old bishop’s disciplining of them? That the Pelosis are giving the bishops the finger?

Armchair-scold the bishops if you must but for every time you denounce a bishop for not taking the steps you want them to take, take a half-dozen shots at the Pelosis. If you live in a district represented by one of these monsters, before bashing your bishop, bash the pro-abort pols in your district a dozen times. Then you can self-righteously preach at your bishop.

Yes, it’s the bishops’ fault they are in this pickle.

But they are in this pickle. And they need lay Catholics to help them out of it.


22 posted on 03/10/2010 8:21:14 AM PST by Houghton M.
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As an Ex-Catholic, it will be great to see the day when Rudy Giuliani, Christine Quinn, and Carolyn McCarty are denied communion.


26 posted on 03/10/2010 8:33:04 AM PST by Clemenza (Remember our Korean War Veterans)
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Very disappointing and discouraging. I am wondering if the Bishop isn't placing himself in a state of mortal sin by taking such a position? He risks leading those in his spiritual charge astray by his example, and a dim view is normally taken of that.

Either the teaching of the Church means something, or it doesn't. If the leaders of the Church are not going to insist that those who profess belief in the Church follow its precepts, then those have no meaning. If so, why have them at all? Just excess baggage. If the Church will not stand against the most egregious sin of the world, how is it different?

30 posted on 03/10/2010 8:42:55 AM PST by chimera
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it was better to try to persuade them than to impose sanctions.

Good luck with that. Niederauer was so successful with Nancy Pelosi...

33 posted on 03/10/2010 8:51:56 AM PST by Unam Sanctam
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This policy has caused havoc in the Church and has left the various wolves in place to harm the Church from within. This is in my view a serious failure in charity towards these recalcitrant Catholics, the faithful, and failing in the munus of governing the Church. Hence more of the same. The whole point of penalties is that they are medicinal: to confront the recalcitrant with the consequences of their behavior and protect the faithful. Is the Pope really on board with this? Don’t think so.


37 posted on 03/10/2010 9:33:09 AM PST by Rampolla
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Archbishop Burke has PROVEN that obeying Canon 915 is a grave obligation. That means, as the laity usually term it, it is a mortal sin to disobey Canon 915.

http://tinyurl.com/canon915

As long as Archbishop Dolan, or any other bishop, priest, deacon, or extraordinary minister of Communion knowingly refuses to obey Canon 915, then they should either publish an article showing why Archbishop Burke is mistaken, or they themselves should abstain from Communion.

The Archdiocese of New York (and all but about a dozen dioceses in the country) has a bishop who is obstinately persisting in public grave sin, and should not be receiving Communion.

But surely all those bishops couldn’t be wrong, could they, while only a dozen are doing the right thing!!!

There was only one Catholic bishop in England who did not cave to Henry VIII. And he’s the only one whose name is not forgotten by everyone except history buffs. And he’s the only one who is a saint.

http://tinyurl.com/pont915
http://tinyurl.com/peters915


40 posted on 03/10/2010 10:30:39 AM PST by Arthur McGowan (In Edward Kennedy's America, federal funding of brothels is a right, not a privilege.)
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Denial of Communion is NOT a “sanction” or a “penalty.”

Archbishop Dolan is either a liar or is too ignorant of Canon Law to be allowed to remain as an archbishop.

I am not kidding.

Canon 915 is NOT a “penal canon.” I.e., the denial of Communion is required by divine law. It is an obligation. It is not something that a bishop is FREE to do or not do. If he does deny Communion, he is NOT “imposing a sanction.” He is simply obeying the direct command contained in Canon 915. It is NOT OPTIONAL. It is NOT a matter of the bishop’s discretion or judgment. It is a strict obligation.

In other words, Archbishop Dolan is saying: In my diocese, Canon Law and the moral law are optional; they are up to me to write and rewrite as I please.

http://tinyurl.com/canon915
http://tinyurl.com/peters915
http://tinyurl.com/pont915


45 posted on 03/10/2010 10:48:57 AM PST by Arthur McGowan (In Edward Kennedy's America, federal funding of brothels is a right, not a privilege.)
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Bad news. Without courage, all other virtues are useless. This man is useless.

55 posted on 03/10/2010 1:15:53 PM PST by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gamaya Tamaso Ma Jyotir Gamaya)
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Politically, he is in a very hard place. The establishment would make his life, and that of the rest of the Catholic’s there, very uncomfortable.

But in the end, a stand will have to be made or the American Catholic church will fade into the shadows. It may cause a split, but you have to stand for something.

57 posted on 03/10/2010 4:27:17 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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