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To: Tennessee Nana

Tennessee Nana,
As a Mormon, I’m always amazed at being called a non-Christian, since the name of the Mormon Church is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and we believe in the atoning sacrifice and resurrection of Jesus Christ and in His status as God and Savior of mankind.

What is not Christian about that? We certainly regard other faiths who believe in Christ as Christian, even though they do not believe in the same particulars as we do.


17 posted on 03/01/2010 6:32:40 AM PST by ensignbay (**UNBELIEVABLE OBAMA GAFFES video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4-AKcH3eC8 ***)
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To: ensignbay; Tennessee Nana

One of your own prophets (Hinkley) has already said that mormons don’t believe in the same Christ as Christianity.

That’s what’s “not Christian” about it.


20 posted on 03/01/2010 6:37:25 AM PST by SZonian (There are times when we have to tell loved ones truths that hurt. We do so because we care for them.)
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To: ensignbay
I’m always amazed at being called a non-Christian, since the name of the Mormon Church is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints

Just because you sleep in a garage doesn't make you a car.

22 posted on 03/01/2010 6:54:40 AM PST by svcw (If you are going to quote the Bible know what you are quoting.)
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To: ensignbay

we believe in the atoning sacrifice and resurrection of Jesus Christ and in His status as God and Savior of mankind.
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However unlike Christians who believe that all that happened on the Cross, and call it Salvation, and a finished work, as Jesus did, Mormons believe it happened in the Gardan of Eden, and merely call it “atoning” and an unfinished work...

The Cross where Jesus shed His blood and died to save us makes all the difference...

Even Hinckley admitted that the Jesus of Chrsitianity was not the Jesus of mormonism...

Not the same Jesus
“There are those outside the Church who say Latter-day Saints do not believe in the traditional Christ.

No, I don’t. The traditional Christ of whom they speak is not the Christ of whom I speak.”

– LDS President Gordon B. Hinckley (LDS Church News, June 20, 1998)

And while Mormons believe they can save themselves, chrsitians believe only Jesus saved us...

...we are the only people that know how to save our progenitors, how to save ourselves, and how to save our posterity in the celestial kingdom of God;...we in fact are the saviours of the world...” (Lds “prophet” John Taylor, Journal of Discourses, vol.6, p.163).

And while Mormons believe they need Joseph Smith for salvation and to allow them into the Mormon afterlife, Chrsitians believe that a bellieve in Jesus as God and Savior and repentance and forgiveness of our sins gain us eternal entrance into Heaven where God is...

There is “no salvation without accepting Joseph Smith. If Joseph Smith was verily a prophet, and if he told the truth...no man can reject that testimony without incurring the most dreadful consequences, for he cannot enter the kingdom of God”
- Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, p.190

“If we get our salvation, we shall have to pass by him [Joseph Smith]; if we enter our glory, it will be through the authority he has received. We cannot get around him [Joseph Smith]”
- (as quoted in 1988 Melchizedek Priesthood Study Guide, p. 142)

Jesus said to him, “I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No man or woman comes to the Father except by me.” Jophn 14:6

While Christians believe the words of Jesus when He said people must hear the Good News of Salvation and believe in Him in this life to be saved, to be born again, Mormons believe necro water baptism by proxy of people who died as non-Mormons will cause “atoning” after death...

“... mortals have to be saviors on Mount Zion, acting by proxy for the dead.” (LDS “prophet” Joseph Fielding Smith, The Way to Perfection, p. 325)

Jesus replied, “I tell you the truth, unless you are born again, you cannot see the Kingdom of God.” John 3:3

For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16

And then Jesus told them, “Go into all the world and preach the Good News to everyone. Anyone who believes and is baptized will be saved. But anyone who refuses to believe will be condemned. Mark 16:15, 16

(This requires the hearer to be alive in order to believe or not)

As to “His status as God” which is a new concept I only read for the first time from your post, while Christians have always believed in the Trinity, the Holy Three in One, God the Father, God the Son, Jesus, the Word, and God the Holy Ghost, (1 John 5:7) Mormon deny the Trinity and have called Christians, “Triniterians” with the emphasis of an “N” word...

Moemons discount the Trinity or Jesus being God to the point that the last line of a popular old Christian Hymm “Holy Holy Holy Lord God Almighty” was changed by the Mormons from “God in Three Persons, Holy Trinity” and is sung by the Mormon Tabernacle Choirto be sung as “God in his glory, blessed deity”


37 posted on 03/01/2010 7:38:25 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: ensignbay
 
We certainly regard other faiths who believe in Christ as Christian, even though they do not believe in the same particulars as we do.
 
HMmmm...

 

 
 

THE FIRST BOOK OF NEPHI
HIS REIGN AND MINISTRY
CHAPTER 14
 
An angel tells Nephi of the blessings and cursings to fall upon the Gentiles—There are only two churches: the Church of the Lamb of God and the church of the devil—The saints of God in all nations are persecuted by the great and abominable church—The apostle John shall write concerning the end of the world. Between 600 and 592 B.C. 
 
   1 And it shall come to pass, that if the Gentiles shall hearken unto the Lamb of God in that day that he shall manifest himself unto them in word, and also in power, in very deed, unto the taking away of their stumbling blocks—
  2 And harden not their hearts against the Lamb of God, they shall be numbered among the seed of thy father; yea, they shall be numbered among the house of Israel; and they shall be a blessed people upon the promised land forever; they shall be no more brought down into captivity; and the house of Israel shall no more be confounded.
  3 And that great pit, which hath been digged for them by that great and abominable church, which was founded by the devil and his children, that he might lead away the souls of men down to hell—yea, that great pit which hath been digged for the destruction of men shall be filled by those who digged it, unto their utter destruction, saith the Lamb of God; not the destruction of the soul, save it be the casting of it into that hell which hath no end.
  4 For behold, this is according to the captivity of the devil, and also according to the justice of God, upon all those who will work wickedness and abomination before him.
  5 And it came to pass that the angel spake unto me, Nephi, saying: Thou hast beheld that if the Gentiles repent it shall be well with them; and thou also knowest concerning the covenants of the Lord unto the house of Israel; and thou also hast heard that whoso repented not must perish.
  6 Therefore, woe be unto the Gentiles if it so be that they harden their hearts against the Lamb of God.
  7 For the time cometh, saith the Lamb of God, that I will work a great and a marvelous work among the children of men; a work which shall be everlasting, either on the one hand or on the other—either to the convincing of them unto peace and life eternal, or unto the deliverance of them to the hardness of their hearts and the blindness of their minds unto their being brought down into captivity, and also into destruction, both temporally and spiritually, according to the captivity of the devil, of which I have spoken.
  8 And it came to pass that when the angel had spoken these words, he said unto me: Rememberest thou the covenants of the Father unto the house of Israel? I said unto him, Yea.
  9 And it came to pass that he said unto me: Look, and behold that great and abominable church, which is the mother of abominations, whose founder is the devil.
  10 And he said unto me: Behold there are save two churches only; the one is the church of the Lamb of God, and the other is the church of the devil; wherefore, whoso belongeth not to the church of the Lamb of God belongeth to that great church, which is the mother of abominations; and she is the whore of all the earth.
  11 And it came to pass that I looked and beheld the whore of all the earth, and she sat upon many waters; and she had dominion over ball the earth, among all nations, kindreds, tongues, and people.
  12 And it came to pass that I beheld the church of the Lamb of God, and its numbers were few, because of the wickedness and abominations of the whore who sat upon many waters; nevertheless, I beheld that the church of the Lamb, who were the saints of God, were also upon ball the face of the earth; and their dominions upon the face of the earth were small, because of the wickedness of the great whore whom I saw.
  13 And it came to pass that I beheld that the great mother of abominations did gather together multitudes upon the face of all the earth, among all the nations of the Gentiles, to fight against the Lamb of God.
  14 And it came to pass that I, Nephi, beheld the power of the Lamb of God, that it descended upon the saints of the church of the Lamb, and upon the covenant people of the Lord, who were scattered upon all the face of the earth; and they were armed with righteousness and with the power of God in great glory.
  15 And it came to pass that I beheld that the wrath of God was poured out upon that great and abominable church, insomuch that there were wars and rumors of wars among all the nations and kindreds of the earth.
  16 And as there began to be wars and rumors of wars among all the nations which belonged to the mother of abominations, the angel spake unto me, saying: Behold, the wrath of God is upon the mother of harlots; and behold, thou seest all these things—
  17 And when the day cometh that the wrath of God is poured out upon the mother of harlots, which is the great and abominable church of all the earth, whose founder is the devil, then, at that day, the work of the Father shall commence, in preparing the way for the fulfilling of his covenants, which he hath made to his people who are of the house of Israel.
  18 And it came to pass that the angel spake unto me, saying: Look!
  19 And I looked and beheld a man, and he was dressed in a white robe.
  20 And the angel said unto me: Behold one of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
  21 Behold, he shall see and write the remainder of these things; yea, and also many things which have been.
  22 And he shall also write concerning the end of the world.
  23 Wherefore, the things which he shall write are just and true; and behold they are written in the book which thou beheld proceeding out of the mouth of the Jew; and at the time they proceeded out of the mouth of the Jew, or, at the time the book proceeded out of the mouth of the Jew, the things which were written were plain and pure, and most precious and easy to the understanding of all men.
  24 And behold, the things which this apostle of the Lamb shall write are many things which thou hast seen; and behold, the remainder shalt thou see.
  25 But the things which thou shalt see hereafter thou shalt not write; for the Lord God hath ordained the apostle of the Lamb of God that he should write them.
  26 And also others who have been, to them hath he shown all things, and they have written them; and they are sealed up to come forth in their purity, according to the truth which is in the Lamb, in the own due time of the Lord, unto the house of Israel.
  27 And I, Nephi, heard and bear record, that the name of the apostle of the Lamb was john, according to the word of the angel.
  28 And behold, I, Nephi, am forbidden that I should write the remainder of the things which I saw and heard; wherefore the things which I have written sufficeth me; and I have written but a small part of the things which I saw.
  29 And I bear record that I saw the things which my father saw, and the angel of the Lord did make them known unto me.
  30 And now I make an end of speaking concerning the things which I saw while I was carried away in the spirit; and if all the things which I saw are not written, the things which I have written are true. And thus it is. Amen.

106 posted on 03/01/2010 10:24:16 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ensignbay
"As a Mormon, I’m always amazed at being called a non-Christian, since the name of the Mormon Church is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and we believe in the atoning sacrifice and resurrection of Jesus Christ and in His status as God and Savior of mankind."

The mormons do not follow basic Christian Doctrine.
--There is one God
--There are not multiple gods
--Man can never become a god.
--God was never once a man
--Jesus was born of the Virgin Mary, through immaculate conception.

The mormons believe in a "Jesus" that is non-biblical and simply morphed by the plagiarized, twisted writings of Joe Smith, without any basis of anthropological and/or archaeological proof. Not one shred.

The mormons love to comment as you have. However, just because the name "Jesus" is in your church's name, doesn't make it Christian. Especially when you follow a fake prophet such as Joe Smith. That simply makes LDS a cult, and not "Christian" in the slightest. You do recall that Joe Smith called Christianity an "abomination", right? Think of his motivation. Joe just wanted to create his own cult and to con more folks out of their money. What a guy.

Please read the history of your "church" from outside sources who were former members. That way you shall receive the unvarnished truth.
Here is one such site HERE..........

116 posted on 03/01/2010 10:38:55 AM PST by NoRedTape
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To: ensignbay
As a Mormon, I’m always amazed at being called a non-Christian, since the name of the Mormon Church is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints

Painting "auto repairs" on the side of your garage does not make you a mechanic. The name is not important, the doctrines are. And using the same logic, "First Baptist Church" or "St. John the Divine Catholic Church" or "Calvary Chapel" would not be Christian since they do NOT have the name Jesus Christ in the name of the Church.

and we believe in the atoning sacrifice and resurrection of Jesus Christ and in His status as God and Savior of mankind.What is not Christian about that?

I suppose that would depend upon how the LDS define 'atoneing sacrifice' (garden or the Cross), status as God (was He always God, define 'only begotten' as LDS leaders have), and how is He Savior? To the LDS, does He save by resurrecting everyone only, or by getting us back into the presence of God the Father regardless of our actions not because of them?

Are there different levels of Heaven and is God the Father in all of them or only a couple of them?

We certainly regard other faiths who believe in Christ as Christian, even though they do not believe in the same particulars as we do.

Then why does the CURRENT LDS Gospel Principles manual (used in Sunday school), state that all other Christians are 'pagans' who believe in 'false Christianity' (Chapter 16)?

And how do the LDS reconcile that they consider other faiths to be Christian when their own leaders have said over and over again that they are not and the whole premise of the LDS church is based upon the idea of a 'universal apostasy'?

Also, for Christians major points of the PERSON, WORK and Nature of Jesus Christ, makes ALL the difference and are not 'particulars' and from what I know of LDS doctrine (having been LDS), the LDS view on these things is VASTLY different.

139 posted on 03/01/2010 11:19:11 AM PST by reaganaut ( "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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