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I would recommend watching the video before commenting.
1 posted on 02/28/2010 6:01:47 PM PST by CondoleezzaProtege
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

I watched the video. Typical 1 dimensional Calvinist thinking. “Oh how can a God give both freewill and total control” Boo hoo hoo. Bah. Simple. They are not contradictory events. Take for example “Love and Hate”. They are not opposites. God is love and He also Hates. The God Hates this or that list is pretty long... so How can He be a God who IS love but hates so much? Well, if Love and Hate are opposites, He can’t. But they are then OBVIOUSLY NOT. Now, what IS the opposite of Love?

Self. Self is the opposite of love.

In this same way total free choice and absolute predestination are NOT opposites either. How do we know this? The same way we know about hate and love. Both are attributes of God by the scriptures.

What is missing or rather what HAS been missing is “OUR” understanding of the nature of God.

God is a being outside, above and beyond our linear reality. He sees the beginning and end. Directly He IS the beginning and the end. Timeless. We are the one’s who experience time, events and thought in a sequential order.

We have thoughts, make choices and compound events one after the other due to the nature of time/space itself.

But God is outside, surrounding the 4 dimensions of height, length, width and duration. How many more attributes God may have is debatable, but the simple mater of even our primitive 20th/21st century quantum physics answers this once age old paradox.

For us we choose. Step by step, day by day, choice by choice. Paul or Peter COULD make an error. But God choose them because He saw their beginning and end and KNEW they would not. The same as He saw Judas who would error.

All had total free will. Judas cannot say “why did thou makest me this way”, because Judas CHOSE. Satan himself was PERFECT... until... iniquity was found within him.

The Armenians AND Calvinists are BOTH right in what they assert. They are also both WRONG in what they deny.

And that is something that previous generations lacked the scientific understanding of time and physical properties of reality to fully comprehend.

Each camp has clung to one set of Scripture at the expense of other points of scripture. But now, we should be able to put to rest this misunderstanding and return to the real issues of the good news.


2 posted on 02/28/2010 7:10:22 PM PST by RachelFaith (2010 is going to be a 100 seat Tsunami)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Just for the sake of argument, lets assume that calvinism is correct.

In that case liberalism, as well as every other sin, is all God’s fault.

If we have no free will to respond to God’s leading with the choice to do good then we have no free will to reject God’s leading thusly doing evil.

Either we can choose to accept (or reject) God or we can choose to do nothing an sin is God’s fault.

Seeing as the bible tells us to “choose life”, I’ll side with God on this one and say we have a choice.


3 posted on 02/28/2010 7:13:26 PM PST by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Presbyterianism, that great bastion of Calvinism, is one of the more liberal churches today. The Free Will Baptist Church, which supports Arminianism, is one of the most conservative churches in America. I think you have a paradox here.

What says you?


4 posted on 02/28/2010 7:21:51 PM PST by Buddygirl
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

It’s quite sad to me to see Calvinists attempt to lay the problems in and deviations from the Church and it’s Christ at the feet of those who would otherwise be their Brothers and Sisters in Christ.

That is, however, the reality. Arminianism is the cause or at least a contributing factor to every ailment, challenge and heresy eating away at the [predestined] Body of Christ today.

As a Reformation Arminian myself, I suppose, then, that I am at the heart of the problem. Nevermind that I affirm the Bible as the Word of God, that I believe in Divine sovereignty, that I confess the Fundamentals of the Christian Faith.... No, I believe God is big enough to allow “free will” in His creation and STILL be sovereign over it ALL — so I am “the enemy.” I am “the Root of Christian Liberalism.”

There are many Calvinists who need to repent of such divisiveness, foolishness, and arrogance. For those not versed in Arminian Theology — and to show we’re not ALL raving lunatics as SOME Calvinists would have us believe — I encourage you to visit the website for the Society of Evangelical Arminians ( www.evangelicalarminians.org ).

To those who are my Brothers and Sisters in Christ, Blessings. To those who won’t acknowledge me as a Brother in Christ — I forgive you...


6 posted on 02/28/2010 7:50:07 PM PST by patriot preacher (To be a good American Citizen and a Christian IS NOT a contradiction. (www.mygration.blogspot.com))
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