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I watched the video. Typical 1 dimensional Calvinist thinking. “Oh how can a God give both freewill and total control” Boo hoo hoo. Bah. Simple. They are not contradictory events. Take for example “Love and Hate”. They are not opposites. God is love and He also Hates. The God Hates this or that list is pretty long... so How can He be a God who IS love but hates so much? Well, if Love and Hate are opposites, He can’t. But they are then OBVIOUSLY NOT. Now, what IS the opposite of Love?

Self. Self is the opposite of love.

In this same way total free choice and absolute predestination are NOT opposites either. How do we know this? The same way we know about hate and love. Both are attributes of God by the scriptures.

What is missing or rather what HAS been missing is “OUR” understanding of the nature of God.

God is a being outside, above and beyond our linear reality. He sees the beginning and end. Directly He IS the beginning and the end. Timeless. We are the one’s who experience time, events and thought in a sequential order.

We have thoughts, make choices and compound events one after the other due to the nature of time/space itself.

But God is outside, surrounding the 4 dimensions of height, length, width and duration. How many more attributes God may have is debatable, but the simple mater of even our primitive 20th/21st century quantum physics answers this once age old paradox.

For us we choose. Step by step, day by day, choice by choice. Paul or Peter COULD make an error. But God choose them because He saw their beginning and end and KNEW they would not. The same as He saw Judas who would error.

All had total free will. Judas cannot say “why did thou makest me this way”, because Judas CHOSE. Satan himself was PERFECT... until... iniquity was found within him.

The Armenians AND Calvinists are BOTH right in what they assert. They are also both WRONG in what they deny.

And that is something that previous generations lacked the scientific understanding of time and physical properties of reality to fully comprehend.

Each camp has clung to one set of Scripture at the expense of other points of scripture. But now, we should be able to put to rest this misunderstanding and return to the real issues of the good news.

Hi RachelFaith,

I can’t say I disagree with your points. Another analogy one could bring up would be the Trinity: how could GOD be “3 in 1” persons operating together yet separately at the same time? Or the incarnation: how could Christ be fully man and fully GOD at the same time?

I agree that part of the reason why we cannot come to agreement is because GOD does operate on a reality above our thoughts and understanding.

However, I do believe there is enough plainly-stated evidence in the Bible to justify Calvin’s conclusions, particularly with regard to God’s full sovereignty over salvation. And NO, I am not implying that one has to necessarily agree with these conclusions to be saved. As I told a previous poster, for all I know, more Arminians than Calvinists make up God’s elect.

And don’t forget there is a such thing as hyper-Calvinism.