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To: BroJoeK
1. No, schism does not involve heresy. Heresy is treated differently.
2. you're right about the Assyrians -- I miswrote Chalcedon for Ephesus and Nicea for Chalcedon.
3. The Coptics DID break away in terms of a schism --> it was not power-politics, if you read the details of the councils the issue was over the nature of God -- which was to combat serious HERESIEs like Gnosticism or Arianism which denied the Godhood of Christi or said Jesus was a "higher" God from Yahweh who was just a yabbaloath (a demiurge). The council was rejected because of it's terms of homousis and other esoteric terms -- we orthodox thought they meant that Jesus wasn't 1005 man and 100% God, but they actually did and didn't agree with the language (why? Perhaps Greek was losing tis' linguage franca status among Armenians, Ethiopians (dunno why Copts, but hmmm...))
796 posted on 03/10/2010 7:41:17 PM PST by Cronos (Philipp2:12, 2Cor5:10, Rom2:6, Matt7:21, Matt22:14, Lu12:42-46,John15:1-10,Rev2:4-5,Rev22:19)
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To: Cronos
Cronos from #796: "3. The Coptics DID break away in terms of a schism --> it was not power-politics, if you read the details of the councils the issue was over the nature of God "

According to Coptic history, it was Copts who held fast to their original beliefs, and the Orthodox at Chalcedon who wandered off into heresy.
Of course, I have no dog in this fight, but it does seem to me Copts have a stronger case.

Again, my argument is that none of these differences in theological opinions could matter a whit in the Eyes of Christ, but Christians rejecting and persecuting other Christians over such disputes must surely force out of Him tears of blood.

926 posted on 03/23/2010 11:40:27 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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