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The Beginning of the Reformation's End?
The Wall Street Journal ^ | 2/26/10 | Charlotte Hays

Posted on 02/26/2010 7:32:49 PM PST by marshmallow

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To: Cronos; Marysecretary; wagglebee; ArrogantBustard; stfassisi; xone; Nosterrex; redgolum; ...
According to a RECENT PEW STUDY, for every ONE Protestant who becomes Roman Catholic, FOUR Roman Catholics become Protestant.

I'll take those statistics over yours any day.

881 posted on 03/18/2010 8:00:06 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Cronos; ArrogantBustard; stfassisi
Here is what the Pew Study actually says:

While the ranks of the unaffiliated have grown the most due to changes in religious affiliation, the Catholic Church has lost the most members in the same process; this is the case even though Catholicism's retention rate of childhood members (68%) is far greater than the retention rate of the unaffiliated and is comparable with or better than the retention rates of other religious groups. Those who have left Catholicism outnumber those who have joined the Catholic Church by nearly a four-to-one margin.

You will notice that NOWHERE does it indicate that all Catholics who leave the Church become Protestants. And NOWHERE does it say that all of those who become Protestant are former Catholics. I'm sure that this is what you WANT it to say, but that's not what it says at all.

Just curious, how many new members has the OPC added? You guys have been at this for nearly three-quarters of a century and there is nothing to indicate that you have even hit the 30,000 mark WORLDWIDE.

And finally, it has been my experience that those people who do leave the Catholic Church and become Protestants are generally going to a liberal denomination. I've known very few Catholics who left the Church to join a Calvinist denomination.

882 posted on 03/18/2010 8:17:34 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Cronos
but why is the LCMS declining?

Leaking liberals?

883 posted on 03/18/2010 8:45:30 AM PDT by xone
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To: xone

heh,heh, in that case, it’s good news!


884 posted on 03/18/2010 9:13:45 AM PDT by Cronos (Philipp2:12, 2Cor5:10, Rom2:6, Matt7:21, Matt22:14, Lu12:42-46,John15:1-10,Rev2:4-5,Rev22:19)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

I am not certain why you sent this to me. I am not Roman Catholic. It is often said that the two largest denominations in the United States are Roman Catholics and Ex-Roman Catholics. This does not include non-practicing Roman Catholics. The statistics for the Roman Catholic Church membership is highly inflated. Frankly, I do not trust the statistical data from almost all denominations. I suspect that they are all inflated.


885 posted on 03/18/2010 9:27:33 AM PDT by Nosterrex
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To: Cronos
It is worth noting the church bodies that are growing: Roman Catholic, Mormons, Assemblies of God, Jehovah Witnesses, and Church of God. Two of these are cults. Assemblies of God are pentecostal. I am not certain about the Church of God. The increase in the Roman Catholic Church in the United States is due primarily to the Hispanic or Latino growth. I would also guess that the growth in the Pentecostal denominations are converts from the Roman Catholic Church. Pentecostalism seems to be very attractive to Hispanics and Blacks.
What this does not show is the number of Christians that are not a members of non-denominational congregations. This is where most of the growth is occurring, which fits very nicely with our Postmodern culture. It has also been shown that the more liberal a denomination becomes the faster the decrease in membership.
886 posted on 03/18/2010 9:39:17 AM PDT by Nosterrex
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
"I'll take those statistics over yours any day."

As Truman said; " there are lies, damned lies, and statistics". Making any meaningful conclusion from that Pew Study belies a basic lack of understanding of statistics.

The basic difference is the overall population numbers trivializes relative numeric losses. Further, Protestant gains include those who have switched between Protestant denominations and who have switched back to Catholicism.

887 posted on 03/18/2010 3:50:09 PM PDT by Natural Law
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To: wagglebee; Forest Keeper; Dr. Eckleburg; blue-duncan; 1000 silverlings; HarleyD; wmfights; ...
While the ranks of the unaffiliated have grown the most due to changes in religious affiliation, the Catholic Church has lost the most members in the same process; this is the case even though Catholicism's retention rate of childhood members (68%) is far greater than the retention rate of the unaffiliated and is comparable with or better than the retention rates of other religious groups. Those who have left Catholicism outnumber those who have joined the Catholic Church by nearly a four-to-one margin.

Ya know wag, I live in a very Catholic area ..guessing maybe 75% RC by birth..But I would also guess that the percentage of practicing Catholics is less than 50% of that number.. In my neighborhood kids see the inside of the church when baptized, then they go to CCd at around 7 so they can make their 1st communion.. after that maybe they will be there for their wedding or funeral.

The number of people that are "social" or" cultural" catholics is overwhelming.. hey will list their "religion' as catholic because that is what they were baptized. So the membership numbers are very unreliable .

This is significant because Catholics believe that mortal sin sends you to hell.. and missing mass with intention is a mortal sin..

I am not OPC, I am PCA here are our stats, for whatever they mean Link

It shows a slow growth, but to me that does not mean much. Attendance at church does not make one a Christian or save them . Absence from church on Sunday does not damn anyone.. I go to church because it gives me joy.. I go because I am hungry to learn more about God, not because of a church rule.

I do not think that most of the "saved" are concerned if Catholics leaving are not becoming "protestant" but we ask has anyone brought them the good news about Christ. Have they had the gospel presented?Have they repented and looked to the cross? Numbers are not important to a Calvinist ..Salvation is ..Christ had small numbers and actually preached in a way to offend and drive off those that would not be saved.. Many are called but few are choosen

888 posted on 03/18/2010 4:59:28 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Cronos; Marysecretary
"well, it’s not a great falling away — the SBC is still strong and the Assemblies of God are increasing at 2.9%"

The falling away doesn't mean that they will leave the churches; it means that the 'churches' are leaving the Body of Christ. The Lord has called us all out of the churches that man has devised, the "Harlot and her Daughters," to form the true church that exists as he has written it in our hearts. The ecumenical "church" will grow and fall away at the same time.

889 posted on 03/18/2010 6:07:39 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Democracy, the vilest form of government, pits the greed of an angry mob vs. the rights of a man)
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To: Nosterrex

Most non-denominational churches I know are Bible-believing churches. People are getting hungry for the truth of God and not just ‘religion.’


890 posted on 03/18/2010 6:27:19 PM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL!)
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To: HossB86
You already have been shown

Can you make a concrete reference, to what is it that I was "shown", please?

891 posted on 03/18/2010 6:40:09 PM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: BroJoeK
ROMAN Church's claims to be the ONLY valid Christian church

There is no such claim. The Roman Catholic theology is the only authentic Christian theology. That we share with the Orthodox and a few other authentic apostolic churches. That they are not in intercommunion with us is sad, but it is not taking away the fact that the Roman Catholic and the Orthodox are true Catholic Churches and the Protestant charlatans are just that, charlatans.

892 posted on 03/18/2010 6:47:49 PM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: vladimir998; BroJoeK

Thank you very much for these points, Vladimir. I, of course, agree completely.

I moved and have the Internet again, but the pressures of work and the task of having my life reorganized atill prevent me from posting much.


893 posted on 03/18/2010 6:50:34 PM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: annalex

We moved a few years back and I hear ya. Hopefully never again.


894 posted on 03/18/2010 7:46:20 PM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL!)
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To: Marysecretary
I can understand why people are against religion, because religion makes propositional statements on what is right and what is wrong. People that are against religion usually determine what is right in their own eyes. Non-denominational churches are the most religious of all. I do not know of any non-Bible-believing churches. They all claim to be Bible-believing. Even the cults say that they are Bible-believing, and that they are teaching God's truth. The difference between a non-denominational church and a denominational church is one of supervision and accountability. The teachings of a non-denominational church is based upon the teachings of one person, while in a denominational body, especially a confessional church body, the teachings of a congregation are not based upon a single person. What is happening among these larger non-denominational churches is that they become their own denomination.
895 posted on 03/18/2010 8:06:54 PM PDT by Nosterrex
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To: editor-surveyor
The falling away doesn't mean that they will leave the churches; it means that the 'churches' are leaving the Body of Christ. The Lord has called us all out of the churches that man has devised, the "Harlot and her Daughters," to form the true church that exists as he has written it in our hearts. The ecumenical "church" will grow and fall away at the same time.

Exactly...I would think numbers may even increase as the gospel is compromised and made all about men..

897 posted on 03/19/2010 3:58:26 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Marysecretary

I like where I am, near Kansas City.


898 posted on 03/19/2010 4:13:42 AM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: annalex

I understand. Moving is a tremendous task. I just moved last year. Ugh!


899 posted on 03/19/2010 5:44:46 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
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To: Nosterrex

Christianity is a relationship, not a religion. We are all accountable to Christ. Each church has its leaders and most are under authority. There are some rogues for sure but the majority have some authority over them.


900 posted on 03/19/2010 6:49:41 AM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL!)
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