Lutheran (EL
* as of August 19, AD 2009, a liberal protestant SECT, not part of the holy, catholic and apostolic CHURCH.
Keep a Good Lent!
Posted on 02/25/2010 1:11:19 PM PST by SmithL
“Luther didn’t leave the Roman Church, but tried to reform the Church from within.”
Yeah, right. That shacking up with a consecrated Nun sure shows where his mind really was, dontcha think?
Even withing the Catholic church I have seen so many divisive groups ty to confuse church doctrine, thank God we have our God given Catechisis and Magesterium that makes things clear.
Sin is something that brings suffering and bondage. Not only to ourselves but to those who love us. So those who love God, understand that our perfect Father wants us to try to do what is right. He gave us our church to help us. He gave us the Blessed Mother to remind us what a true Christian woman is. He gave us Jesus to remind us that our suffering will be redeemed if we ask.
If you had a son, wouldn't you want him surrounded by good friends and people who reminded him that he may be doing something that will hurt himself and others? Wouldn't you want positive people around him? That is what the church and Christian community is called to do.
Nobody is perfect, that doesn't make those act in ways that offend God acceptable.
We are called to love, but love God the most.
I have friends who are homosexual, I'm sad for them and treat them with love. I would be devastated if my child were homosexual. To me it is the same as drug addiction, being in a cult, alcoholism, etc.
I'm not prefect, but I would never accept any of those problems in someone I love. Because of my love, I would be broken hearted.
What is very clear is that Luther did say he would return to the Catholic church, once it was reformed. We had a few lost souls with control issues, no surprise. The church did reform, and Luther didn't keep his word. That says a lot. "You will know them by their fruit". One day we will be one again. We are all Christians, and unity was the desire of Jesus.
CCC 820
This is why Jesus himself prayed at the hour of his Passion, and does not cease praying to his Father, for the unity of his disciples: "That they may all be one. As you, Father, are in me and I am in you, may they also be one in us, . . . so that the world may know that you have sent me." The desire to recover the unity of all Christians is a gift of Christ and a call of the Holy Spirit.
* as of August 19, AD 2009, a liberal protestant SECT, not part of the holy, catholic and apostolic CHURCH.
Keep a Good Lent!
“A church does not forgive sins, the Lord does.”
The Church does indeed forgive sins, but only in the name of the Trinity. Christ gave that authority to the Apostles and their apostolic successors in Matt 16:19.
“I knew that I did not want to remain Catholic as a result of their views on homosexuality. I could not become a member of a church that would condemn my sister. If a church would not accept my sister, then they would not accept me.”
At least she had the decency to get out and not try to corrupt the Catholic church from within, as most libs prefer to do.
Excellent post!
***...with all people who are called into community and reconciliation with Jesus.”***
I guess their pastor didn’t bother reading that “incorrect” part of the Bible called Soddam and Gormorah.
That’s the part you got right. Luther didn’t leave the Roman Church, but tried to reform the Church from within. The pope responded by putting a price on Luther’s head and excommunicated him
other than the price on his head, that’s the pope’s job.....we recently have the example of LeFevre(sp) who decided to open his own branch of the Catholic Church. That’s a no-n o when done that way....if you want to “reform” the Catholic church, attend an ecumenical council, make your point, and maybe someone will take it under consideration.Luther came up with such lame brained ideas such as sola scriptura, consubstantiation, personal acceptance of Christ being sufficient for salvation.....and you wonder why the pope took exception to his actions......again, that’s what makes a protestant a protestant.
Yeah, I mean what is the big deal? Having someone of the Pope's secular and religious power putting a bounty on you.
consubstantiation,
Nope.
sola scriptura
Yeah, can't have Scripture be the basis of doctrine. How would we sell indulgences?
personal acceptance of Christ being sufficient for salvation
Make that personal faith in Christ as Redeemer and you are spot on.
you wonder why the pope took exception to his actions
Cut into Rome's profits?
Nope.
sola scriptura
Yeah, can’t have Scripture be the basis of doctrine. How would we sell indulgences?
personal acceptance of Christ being sufficient for salvation
Make that personal faith in Christ as Redeemer and you are spot on.
you wonder why the pope took exception to his actions
Cut into Rome’s profits?
Luther did indeed teach consubstantiation...only Catholocism believes in transubstantion
you list errors made by human beings which brought shame on some of the churches activities. but like every other religion on earth, Catholocism is made up of frail human beings, even some greedy ones!
Sola scriptura does not indicate that scripture is the basis of doctrine, we all believe that, but it is not the ONLY basis for doctrine....personal faith in Christ as redeemer.....well O.K., I have that, I believe that Christ is my Redeemer, but that does not encompass the totality of my responsibility. I don’t remember Him saying I’m your redeemer, believe that and all is well....needn’t do anything else. There are too many who want to believe that Christ, by His death, absolved us from all sin past, present and future.....we needn’t repent, change our behavior....Jesus will take care of it all.....all I have to do is accept Him as savior.....too easy. I think His expectations are far more complex than that. Remember when He told the rich man to give all his belongings to the poor and follow Him? That would be a pretty tough task to fulfill and far more difficult that declaring belief...
Look it up.
only Catholocism believes in transubstantion
Of that I have no doubt!
Sola Scriptura does mean that Scripture is the only basis for doctrine and the final arbiter of doctrinal disagreements.
There are too many who want to believe that Christ, by His death, absolved us from all sin past, present and future.....we needn’t repent, change our behavior....Jesus will take care of it all.....all I have to do is accept Him as savior.....too easy.
Of course you must repent and believe...the change in your life comes from the Holy Spirit, it isn't a work of your will. As to the rich man, he couldn't pull the trigger, Jesus said that it is easier for a camel to get through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to get to heaven and His disciples wondered how anyone can be saved. BUT the answer is two verses later: 27Jesus looked at them and said, "With man this is impossible, but not with God; all things are possible with God."
The story of the Bible is about God's love for sinners. Everthing in it is keyed towards that salvation plan. It is all God's work. When God looks at me, He sees a reflection of His Son, not my sin or my righteousness. (which would be pretty thin anyway.) That is why the Christian can be confident in salvation, because it is through Jesus' effort that we have it.
Today my church voted to stay ELCA. I am currently searching for a new church home. This is difficult for me. I have attended this church since I was 10. I am now 42. Pray for myself and my family.
Thank you. I tire from all of the Catholic recruiters here.
No human comes between myself and G_d. Please stop bashing these Lutheran threads.
Our family just left our church of 14 years over the same issue (Presbyterian Church USA). While the PCUSA has not yet done this - it is only a matter of time, and our congregation was discussing the issue when we left. It is tough - like a divorce. Leaving lots of great folks behind, but the right thing to do. Even the kids understand that we need to go to a church where the Bible is held up as the Word of God.
It was very difficult telling my nine year old that she would not be going to choir practice with her friends anymore. I as a parent I am sure you understand. Being right is not always easy.
“Being right is not always easy.”
Make sure you tell your child that! It is tough. Our kids are a bit older (12-15), so we can discuss the entire issue with them. Although in my mind I think “Man - 12 years old, I wish our society, and especialy the church, didn’t make us have discussions about homosexuals!”
But, they are are getting a good foundation I think in what it means to be a Christian (hate the sin, not the sinner, etc.). In fact when we first started talking about how our church does not let gay people be leaders in the church one daughter (12 yrs) scoffed and said “Well that’s dumb!”
I gently asked - you think it’s dumb that they can’t be leaders?
“Yes”
I can understand that. You think we shouldn’t discriminate against someone because they are different than us.
“Yeah”
And we have friends that we like that are gay.
“Yeah”
We then spent some time explaining about how it is a sin, etc. and that we don’t think they should be leaders in the church, etc. Some Bible reading, etc.
It took some time, but she now understands. I was very proud of her though for her initial reaction.
I thought her initial response was just like many liberals. But, unlike a liberal, she is able to listen to reasonable arguements and explanations and “get it”.
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