Posted on 02/25/2010 1:11:19 PM PST by SmithL
My 13 year old son “gets it”. I believe my daughter will with time. Thanks for the encouraging word.
What can make a difference in the churches are the ministries and the schools. It is worth looking into. I really love many Pentacostal Christians, but you just never what your going to get. I've gotten one too many outrageously non-Christian brothers, unqualified to act in God's name. That could just be my experience.
What ever you do please make sure your child is broght up in a stong Christian/Catholic school, or at least environment. It is more important than ever. The world will swallow them up, otherwise.
...but when people want to turn a sin into a holy sacrament then there is a problem don’t you think?
I think that was my original point.
Churches need novel ways of ministering to ‘organized sin’.
Abortion has become politicized into a social norm, and homosexuality is well on their way to it.
The Church, in response, can’t and shouldn’t cave to it. Sin is sin, so the question becomes what’s our plan as a church for reinforcing the fact that both abortion and homosexuality are both sinful, and ultimately, destructive to psyches and lives.
My belief is that making homosexual priests in ‘committed relationships’ suddenly OK by voice vote isn’t the way to go. It’s copping out.
I know an ELCA member who supports ordaining gays and gay weddings. She said, “Churches should change, to conform to society.” I said, “No, society should change, to obey the Bible.” She couldn’t tell why she disagreed with me, about that statement, of mine. We argued for about a half-hour, and neither of us changed the other person’s mind.
I had a very difficult time leaving the congregation that has been my spiritual home for the past two decades. Those people are still in my heart, but I have found a new home within the LCMS.
It’s a great, big symptom isn’t it? I hadn’t thought of the term before, but that’s exactly what we are talking about:
Organized Sin
Political organizations take formerly reprehensible sins, make the perpetrators into the victims, and then ruin the lives of anyone or any group that would oppose the effort. A parallel effort then goes into monetizing the opportunities that arise from it.
Rather than churches seeing this for what it is and dealing with it on their own terms, they are caving to what is convention. WSJ had an article about the sorry state of Psychiatry since the 1960’s, and the DSM-III played a big role in that. I believe it came out in 1978, when homosexuality was reclassified.
When was the Catholic Church 'reformed' and by what action?
Luther was the first to leave the church, so there is a long history of so called "reformers".
Lutherans allowing homosexuals to be ministers, is sort of what Luther was complaining about in the Catholic church.
Money from homosexual lobbyists has created a nefarious influence in many churches. I guess you could say Luther's brutal attack on the church made us more impervious to these deceptions that attack all Christians. Glory to be to God for His mercy on His church. May the Blessed Mother pray for us always. Come Holy Spirit and Fill the Hearts of Your Faithfull.
The Pope put a price on Luther's head, probably a decent reason to not return quickly.
certain clergy were giving out absolutions of sin, for money, or accepting penances of monetary value.
Certain clergy, that's one way of looking at it. The Pope perhaps had noooo idea this was happening?
Lutherans allowing homosexuals to be ministers, is sort of what Luther was complaining about in the Catholic church.
If the elcas and the liberal Lutherans were the example of the Lutheran Confessions, I might agree with you. Fortunately, they aren't.
I guess you could say Luther's brutal attack on the church
The only thing Luther brutally attacked was the CC's sin.
It terms of a time references, I think it is clear that over 500 years after Luther, we are still divided.
In 2010 AD, the Lutheran Church, that Luther founded, has HOMOSEXUAL MINISTERS. The Catholic church, that Jesus founded, will NOT pretend Homosexuality is approved by God, especially in the Last Days.
Clearly we are all fallable
Unless you are the Pope under certain circumstances. I guess indulgence sales wasn't one of those times.
In 2010 AD, the Lutheran Church, that Luther founded, has HOMOSEXUAL MINISTERS.
The elca, doesn't adhere to the Lutheran Confessions, a byproduct of Luther and the Reformation. That is pretty clear since they, like the Catholic Church, adhered to man's perspective instead of the Word of God for their doctrine.
The Catholic church, that Jesus founded, will NOT pretend Homosexuality is approved by God, especially in the Last Days.
True, they just pass the pedophile priest around between dioceses.
The homosexual agenda has attacked the Catholic church, probably even more so than the Lutherans. After all, Catholics are still the largest denomination of Christians in the world. They have infiltrated the church, the priesthood, yet the Doctrine remains the same, sin is not acceptable. Glory be to God. Hades will not prevail against His church. Have mercy on us dear God.
Organized sin indeed, but they will never be able to organize enough to change God’s truth.
Just because they say they are Lutherans, doesn't mean they follow Lutheran doctrine as laid out in the Lutheran Confessions which hasn't changed.
Do you consider Pelosi/Biden/the USCCB spokespeople for the Catholic Church? Especially this particular sin as well as abortion? I thought not. Yet they remain, where is your church discipline? Or has that changed?
USCCB is expected to uphold church doctrine, most to a great job. While their are a few liberal Bishops, they are not the final word in terms of Catholic policy. A few liberal Bishops cross the line, but nothing to the extent of promoting homosexuality as something acceptable by God, or even remotely close.
Just scandalously Catholic pretenders.
Elca isn't Lutheran either, they are a Christ-less sect pretending to be Lutheran, scandalously as well.
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