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To: Tennessee Nana

I think if you would read carefully what President Hinckley was saying here you would realize that he was referring to the definition of Christ as put forth in the Nicene creed, not the Bible.

Throughout his life, Gordon B. Hinckley taught and testified constantly and consistently of the divinity of Jesus Christ — of his atonement and resurrection.

Here’s just one example:

‘He was and is the Son of the Almighty. He was the only perfect man to walk the earth. He healed the sick and caused the lame to walk, the blind to see, the deaf to hear. He raised the dead. Yet He suffered His own life to be taken in an act of Atonement, the magnitude of which is beyond our comprehension.

‘Luke records that this anguish was so great that “his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground” (Luke 22:44), a physical manifestation confirmed in both the Book of Mormon and the Doctrine and Covenants. The suffering in Gethsemane and on the cross of Calvary, just a few hundred meters from Gethsemane, included both physical and spiritual “temptations, … pain, … hunger, thirst, and fatigue, even more than man can suffer,” said King Benjamin, “except it be unto death” (Mosiah 3:7).

‘After the agony of Gethsemane came His arrest, His trials, His condemnation, then the unspeakable pain of His death on the cross, followed by His burial in Joseph’s tomb and the triumphant coming forth in the Resurrection. He, the lowly babe of Bethlehem who two millennia ago walked the dusty roads of Palestine, became the Lord Omnipotent, the King of Kings, the Giver of Salvation to all. None can fully comprehend the splendor of His life, the majesty of His death, the universality of His gift to mankind. We unequivocally declare with the centurion who said at His death, “Truly this man was the Son of God”’

Gordon B. Hinckley, “A Testimony of the Son of God,” Ensign, Dec 2002, 2–5


136 posted on 02/23/2010 1:20:28 PM PST by Normandy
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To: Normandy

Throughout his life, Gordon B. Hinckley taught and testified constantly and consistently
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Yeah well we all know he blantanty LIED to Larry King...

“I dont know that we teach that”

You really think that sounds like a guy that could be trusted when he...

“taught and testified constantly and consistently”

lying about polygamy in mormonism on TV...

You really think that sounds like a guy that could be trusted when he...

“taught and testified constantly and consistently”

Lyin for the mormon lord...

Gutless wonder...


141 posted on 02/23/2010 1:28:51 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Normandy; reaganaut

Throughout his life, Gordon B. Hinckley taught and testified constantly and consistently
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LIED

Gordon B. Hinckley Tells Reporter All Tithe Payers See Financial Records - An Outright Lie

He told this to a German reporter just before the 2002 Mo’lympics:

REPORTER: IN MY COUNTRY, THE...WE SAY THE PEOPLE’S CHURCHES, THE PROTESTANTS, THE CATHOLICS, THEY PUBLISH ALL THEIR BUDGETS, TO ALL THE PUBLIC.

HINCKLEY: YEAH. YEAH.

REPORTER: WHY IS IT IMPOSSIBLE FOR YOUR CHURCH?

HINCKLEY: WELL, WE SIMPLY THINK THAT THE...THAT INFORMATION BELONGS TO THOSE WHO MADE THE CONTRIBUTION, AND NOT TO THE WORLD. THAT’S THE ONLY THING. YES.

http://www.mormonchallenge.com has the entire interview in both video and transcript.


147 posted on 02/23/2010 1:42:38 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Normandy

Throughout his life, Gordon B. Hinckley taught and testified constantly and consistently
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LIED

Ten Examples Of Lies Told By Gordon B. Hinckley

Here’s a link to a transcript of the interview: http://www.lds-mormon.com/lkl_00.shtml

I’d suggest that you read through it because there are multiple instances in which Hinckley either lied or otherwise obfuscated the truth.

Example 1: When asked by King about the church’s annual income being $5.9 billion, Hinckley responded, “Well, I don’t know about that figure, but we get along.” As the senior officer of the LDS church, with its many holdings, combined with tithing from thousands of members (or tens of thousands), it is unimaginable that Hinckley would not know whether $5.9 billion was the figure for church annual income or not.

Example 2: Hinckley says in the interview, “I have an accountability. I carry a trust that’s incumbent upon me...” He also said, “We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, magistrates in honoring, obeying and sustaining the law.” The Mormon Murders and other books about Hinckley’s dealings with Mark Hoffman, and the ways in which he and other senior church officers hindered the police investigation to protect themselves and the church says a great deal about how Hinckley’s accountability and trustworthiness as a U.S. citizen, and his sense of responsibility concerning “honoring, obeying and sustaining the law.”

Example 3: In the interview, Hinckley said, “...we stand for something. We stand solid and strong for something. We don’t equivocate.” How many changes to “eternal” doctrines (e.g., polygamy, blacks and the priesthood, Adam-was-God, Blood Atonement), “eternal ordinances” (e.g., the temple endowment), and “true” church teachings (e.g., the indigenous peoples of the Americas, the Hawaiian islands, and Polynesia descended from the Lamanites) have been changed or deleted from Mormonism during the past century? A great deal! So much for being a “solid” and unequivocating church. For more info., ref. http://www.utlm.org/navtopicalindex.htm and www.lds-mormon.com

Example 4: When asked by King about polygamy, Hinckley responded, “When our people came west they permitted it on a restricted scale.” What Hinckley did not say was that polygamy was practiced prior to the Mormon pioneer westward exodus. (Ref. http://www.utlm.org/newsletters/no66.htm and http://www.signaturebooks.com/mp.htm). There are various books about Mormon polygamy. A search on Amazon.com will provide titles. As well, in the interview Hinckley states that, “In 1890, that practice [plural marriage] was discontinued.” It is inconceivable that, Hinckley, the president of the Mormon church, was not aware of the fact that after 1890, Mormon leaders continued to conduct polygamous marriages in Mexico, Alberta (Canada), and even on at least one ship in international waters.

Example 5: Referring to the FLDS polygamists (Mormon fundamentalists) in Utah and elsewhere, Hinckley says, “They have no connection with us whatever.” How could Hinckley, a life-time resident of Utah, not be aware that Mormon fundamentalists believe in “the Prophet” Joseph Smith, follow Smith’s “revelation” on plural marriage, and practiced Mormonism as Smith created it and it evolved in Utah in the latter 1900’s. Indeed, they believe that the LDS church has apostatized from Jesus Christ’s “true” religion, as “revealed” to Joseph Smith Jr.

Example 6: Also concerning polygamy, Hinckley said, “I condemn it, yes, as a practice, because I think it is not doctrinal. It is not legal.” First, the LDS church has never rescinded the doctrine of polygamy. It remains a part of LDS theology per Section 132 of the Doctrine & Covenants. The Manifesto of 1890 stated that church officers were to no longer conduct polygamous marriage ceremonies, and plural marriages were not to be conducted in church temples and other buildings (at least in the U.S.). For decades after 1890, the church continued to teach Latter-Day Saints that the Lord had temporarily stopped the practice of polygamy due to “the wickedness of men”, but after Christ returned, it would be re-instituted. As well, Mormons, including myself as a LDS teenager in the late 1970’s and early 1980’s, were taught that if we were faithful members, we would practice polygamy in the afterlife. We were taught by the church that polygamy was essential to our “eternal salvation”, a concept that, quite understandably, no Mormon teenage girl or woman I knew got enthusiastic about. The church’s senior patriarchal leadership has never issued a declaration revoking the doctrine of polygamy or removing the verses in D&C Section 132 pertaining to that “revelation”. Born into a Utah Mormon family and fully “active” as a Mormon during his life, Hinckley was undoubtedly aware of the church’s teachings about the doctrine of plural marriage.

Example 7: When asked about the church and politics, Hinckley tells King, “The church does not become involved in politics.” As a General Authority during the 1970’s, Hinckley was fully aware of the church’s active campaign against the Equal Rights Amendment (for women). From http://historytogo.utah.gov/equalrights_.html:
“Donations to support the anti-ERA effort were solicited by ward bishops; speeches against the amendment were deemed appropriate at all church meetings, and church buildings were used as an anti-ERA literature distribution points. Church sponsored anti-ERA organizations operated in Florida, Nevada, North and South Carolina, Missouri, Illinois and Arizona.” The church was also active in supporting anti-homosexual marriage legislation (e.g., Proposition 22 in California; ref. http://www.lds-mormon.com/doma.shtml). To say that the church does not become politically involved was misleading of Hinckley.

Example 8: Regarding the church and censorship, Hinckley said, “No, we don’t censor books or films as a practice”. For years, the church published materials about Brigham Young which stated that he practiced polygamy and preached about the “doctrine of plural marriage”. But the 1997 church study guide/manual about Brigham Young excludes any mention of his polygamous marriages, and gives the reader the distinct impression that Young was married once (in fact, he had 55 wives). This is but one of many examples of non-faith-promoting facts being omitted from church materials. I doubt that the church’s propaganda film, Legacy, includes any mention of Mormon polygamy, the Kinderhook Plates (ref. http://www.utlm.org/onlineresources/josephsmithkinderhookplates.htm), Joseph Smith marrying other men’s wives (ref. http://www.utlm.org/newsletters/no66.htm#OTHER%20MEN’S%20WIVES) and other facts about Mormonism that would cause investigators to leave LDS visitor centres and Mormons to question their church, its leaders, and their religion.

Example 9: When asked by King about the LDS church telling Catholics (for example) to leave their church and faith and become a Mormon, Hinckley said, “I say this to other people: you develop all the good you can. We have no animosity toward any other church. We do not oppose other churches. We never speak negatively of other churches. We say to people: you bring all the good that you have, and let us see if we can add to it.” This is a dramatic change in position for the LDS church’s senior “prophet” because for generations, senior LDS leaders were outspoken that people in other religions were being deceived by Satan and led astray. Hinckley’s predecessors repeatedly declared that the LDS church was the only “true and living church of Jesus Christ” on the Earth, the only church that had God’s authority to preach the “true” gospel of Jesus Christ and administer the “saving ordinances”, and the only church through which people could receive “eternal salvation” in the afterlife. That Hinckley did not take the opportunity, on national television, to share these fundamental “truths” with viewers, and instead, gave non-Mormons a message of your-religion-is-just-fine-and-ours-is-too says a great deal about his sense of responsibility as the pre-eminent “spokesperson of the Lord”.

Example 10: With regards to how LDS women feel about not being allowed to hold the priesthood (by Mormonism’s senior male leadership), Hinckley said, “The women of the church are not complaining about it.” and “They’re happy. They sit on boards and governance in the church. I don’t hear any complaints about it.” These statements by Hinckley are misleading and side-step a disturbing reality for many LDS women: depression resulting from their 2nd-class status in the church because Mormon men refuse to allow LDS women to hold the priesthood. As a result of this gender discrimination, capable LDS women are not only denied opportunities to administer the church, they are perpetually kept in a situation of inequality to Mormon men. In short, LDS women of all ages are disempowered by Mormon patriarchy. The fact that Hinckley refuses to be honest and acknowledge these facts/realities to Mormons says a lot about his transparency, ethics, and degree of enlightenment.


150 posted on 02/23/2010 1:44:51 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Normandy

Throughout his life, Gordon B. Hinckley taught and testified constantly and consistently
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sidestepped rules of mormonism...

Hinckley never wernt on a mission...


154 posted on 02/23/2010 1:47:31 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Normandy; Tennessee Nana
I think if you would read carefully what President Hinckley was saying here you would realize that he was referring to the definition of Christ as put forth in the Nicene creed, not the Bible.

We don't only have to rely upon Hinckley's spin of distinguishing between the Mormon "jesus" and the Jesus of the Bible; we already know Lds HQ has long established a key distinction:

“It is true that many of the Christian churches worship a different Jesus Christ than is worshipped by the Mormons.” – LDS publication, Ensign Magazine, May 1977, p. 26

So the Mormon official publication says they worship a different christ...

The Mormon "prophet" said they speak about, believe and acknowledge a different Christ...
Christians say they worship, speak of and belief another Jesus...
So. We are all on the same page...are you out of harmony here???

Throughout his life, Gordon B. Hinckley taught and testified constantly and consistently of the divinity of Jesus Christ — of his atonement and resurrection.

So what? The so-called "atonement" Lds teach of is at best a partial atonement:

The Mormon "jesus" really didn't die for our personal sins or our rebellious nature...cause if we get to Mormon heaven we discover the Mormon doctrine of men are subject to punishment for their own sins--not Jesus as our Substitute [LDS second article of faith: "We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam's transgression."

The Mormon second article of faith, therefore, is a half-truth and a false gospel. Men who do not place their faith in the true Jesus Christ will indeed die in their sins; beyond that, Jesus' blood covers the sin of others. The flip side of the Mormon 2nd article of faith is that the Mormon jesus was simply punished for Adam's sin to release us to "free agency."

Throughout his life, Gordon B. Hinckley taught and testified constantly and consistently of the divinity of Jesus Christ...

Give me a break! Mormons have so lowered the "standard" of divinity that they might as well air a new marketing commercial: "I'm a god-in-embryo; you're a god-in-embryo; wouldn't you like to be a Dr. Divine, too? Be a god, drink the koolaid."

The Mormon "jesus" upon spirit birth was not unique other than his spirit birth order. He's just one god among perhaps millions of Mormon "gods." (Lds "prophet" Spencer W. Kimball not all that long ago told 225,000 gathered that perhaps "225,000 gods" were among them then!!!)

So just as Jesus' uniqueness status as the Son of God from eternity has been greatly undermined by Mormons, the Mormon christ is also one savior among many:

"...we are the only people that know how to save our progenitors, how to save ourselves, and how to save our posterity in the celestial kingdom of God;...we in fact are the saviours of the world..." (lds "prophet" John Taylor; Journal of Discourses, vol.6, p.163).

No, "saviors of the world" are NOT plentiful (1 John 4:14; John 4:42).

We unequivocally declare with the centurion who said at His death, “Truly this man was the Son of God”’

The Mormon "Christ" is a pre-existent spirit, they say, like you or me...whose difference is...
(a) mere spiritual birth order--having been first; (b) was twice made a son of God via Mary; and (c) died for Adam's sin so folks could be resurrected (his role as Savior).

The true Messiah was born in Bethlehem as the Bible foretold and affirmed post-birth--not like the Mormon jesus of Mormon "scriptures" supposedly born in Jerusalem.

Other than that, the lds jesus is not the Son of God from eternity past. He worked his way up to godhood status. He's not an exalted God-become-man, but an exalted man-become-God. He was an elder spirit bro of Lucipher. Had you or your brother been "first" in that pre-existent spirit world birth order, he could have been Christ!!!

This "jesus" is foreign to the Bible. The Messiah of the Bible shared the glory with the Father in the beginning (John 17:5). This Jesus is THE Son of God, not just a son of God. And THE Son of God did not consider equality with His Father something he couldn't let go of while becoming a man (see Philippians 2). Phil. 2 makes it clear He was already divine, not just a "wannabe" God like Dear Ole Dad.

And, finally, what statements by Mormon general authorities do we find Mormon posters like Normandy leaving out re: Lds beliefs about Jesus?

The True Jesus Christ: Savior, not a Saved Being

In contrast, the Mormon christ is but a "saved being"--a mere creature like dear ole Dad: "Christ is a saved being” (lds apostle McConkie, Doctrinal New Testament Commentary, Vol. 3, p 257) “Modern revelation speaks of our Lord as he that ‘ascended up on high, as also he descended below all things, in that he comprehended all things, that he might be in all and through all things, the light of truth‘ (D&C 88:6). Christ's rise to the throne of exaltation was preceded by his descent below all things. Only by submitting to the powers of demons and death and hell could he, in the resurrection, serve as our exemplar of a saved being... (McConkie and Millet, Doctrinal Commentary on the Book of Mormon, vol. 1, p. 234) (Please also see McConkie, Doctrinal New Testament Commentary, Vol. 3, p. 238 where he said the Mormon "jesus" "Needs salvation...Came to earth to work out His own salvation”)

I'm sorry, Normandy. The real Christ did not need to "work out His own salvation" as Lds apostles teach; in fact, He is THE Savior of the world: And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be THE Savior of the world. (1 John 4:14; cf. John 4:42).

I worship this Messiah, just like God told the angels to do in Hebrews 1:6. And I challenge grassroots Mormons to defy their leaders when they tell them NOT to directly worship Jesus (see Mormon 7:7; 2 Nephi 25:29; 4 Nephi 4:37; 3 Nephi 11:17; 3 Nephi 17:10).

I directly pray to this Jesus as Stephen did in Acts (7:59) -- and even as the supposed Book of Mormon disciple characters DIRECTLY and repeatedly did to Jesus in 3 Nephi 19: 6-26...again -- a Mormon "scripture" de-emphasized & ignored by Mormon leaders.

Thomas calls Jesus his God in John 20:28; even the Nephite disciples likewise called Jesus “their Lord and God” (3 Nephi 19:18). D&C says Jesus is God (19:4; 62:1; etc.) Since there’s only one true God in the bible and in the LDS scriptures (for example, Pearl of Great Price says "no God besides me" (1:6), either Jesus is a false god or the one true God. As Jesus Christ is a God to Thomas (John 20:28) -- so Thomas has two gods?

Jesus Christ is my Lord, my Savior, my God! He is the Only Lord, the Only Savior, the Only True God!

220 posted on 02/23/2010 4:16:16 PM PST by Colofornian (As the Lds once were, the fLDS are; as the fLDS are, the LDS will become.)
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To: Normandy
...a physical manifestation confirmed in both the Book of Mormon and the Doctrine and Covenants.

I wouldn't say confirmed, for if one BELIEVES the Bible, then no 'confirmation' is needed.

Agreeing with; maybe.

Plagiarized? Definitely!

247 posted on 02/23/2010 5:28:32 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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