Posted on 02/23/2010 9:25:41 AM PST by stfassisi
You said:
“For one thing, it directly teaches free will as it speaks of ‘intent of the thoughts’ as a fact. This quote would deny free will if it said something like ‘The LORD looked and man and made it so that his heart nad only evil intents’.”
You would argue that black is white.
So, you think that you can just go through the Holy Scriptures, the word of God, with your little pair of scissors, snipping here and snipping there, putting things together in any way you please without any regard to the context, without any regard to WHO PUT THESE WORDS TOGETHER AS HE DID. It says:
1) “the wickedness of man was great in the earth”
2) “every intent of the thoughts of his heart”
3) “was only evil”
4) “continually”
Wickedness. Every. Only. Continually. Get real!
You can cut and paste the Lord’s Prayer into a kidnapping ransom note too, but that only means you put asunder what the Lord Himself joined together.
You said:
“This quote doesn’t teach positive free will, the will to do good. It also doesn’t teach, for example, thermodynamics. However, a few verses down we read that ‘Noe found grace before the Lord’ and then that ‘Noe was a just and perfect man in his generations, he walked with God’. Make note: not was walked by God, walked with God. So yeah, free will, but it requires to read more than one verse at a time.”
So, the words God spoke regarding man just three verses previous to this do not apply to Noah? God forgot what He said. Oh, that’s right. You have the right to tear the context apart at any time you choose.
It says, “Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.” (Genesis 6:8) Does the Holy Scripture itself have an answer for how someone corrupt and fallen and, yes, YES, totally depraved, such that “EVERY intent of the thoughts of his heart was ONLY EVIL CONTINUALLY”, could find grace in the eyes of the LORD? Again, I will make it easy for you, and give you one verse only.
“For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.” (Ephesians 2:8-10)
Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD because the LORD gave him the faith to believe the opposite of what fallen Adam believed when first he felt the fear and horror of unbelief and separation from God, that God was only good and gracious, that He would send the SEED to crush the serpent’s head. Why did Noah walk with God? Because he was now, by faith, God’s workmanship created in Christ Jesus (THE SEED!!!!!!!!!!!!!) for good works. Noah, like Abraham after him, believed in God and it was accounted to him for righteousness. And yes, the faith of Abraham and the faith of Noah was a gift from God to each of them, as Ephesians 2 teaches. God’s creation of faith in Noah’s heart, a heart whose every intent was only evil continually, was as great a miracle as His creation of the world out of nothing. It was a miracle, for with God nothing is impossible!
You, Annalex, have been taught to think contrary to what God clearly and plainly says. You have furnished the proof with your own writing.
Enough said. Let the reader judge the truth of what I’ve said.
Amen ! Brother.
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
I agree that the lessons of history are important but they are only known in the abstract while here we get to see them in practice which should add to our level of knowledge.
If we have learned anything in the Health Care debate it is that the USCCB is the most powerful lobbyist group on Capital Hill. This is the typical modus operandi of Rome in relation to the State. While not directly pulling the levers themselves they are able to compel the Romanist legislators with spiritual threats. Since Romanist Social Justice theory and Liberal Egalitarianism is essentially the same the USCCB’s only concern is to carve out an abortion compromise. Rome already has the Social Justice/Egalitarian position locked up!
I can’t see two different countries emerging from chaos since that is typically when despotism comes to fruition. The Left is using the fear of chaos to frighten the people to submit to authoritarianism. Rome is happy with that authoritarianism under the rubric of Social Justice theory.
For that matter, what state in the USA that is dominated by RC's is conservative?
It should be interesting to see how they rule on the issue of abortion.
That doesn’t address my question. What is it, Catholics with Muslims, or Catholics with leftists?
I will however let this final article stand so that anti-ProtestantISM issues can be discussed to balance against all the threads where anti-CatholicISM issues are being discussed.
Huh? "all the threads..."
I don't find there to be more "anti-Catholicism" threads than "anti-Protestantism" threads. Far from it, but maybe I've just missed them.
I've just posted a thread that discusses what the term "anti-Catholic" means. As that article explains, sometimes Roman Catholics take any questioning of their faith and practices as "anti-Catholic." Apparently "to disagree with" is the same as "hateful bigotry."
I don't equate the USCCB with "Rome," nor should you. Have you been following how the leftists have infiltrated the Catholic Church?
Catholic teaching is anti-egalitarian, yet the complaint from y'all is that the Church is too hierarchical. Again, the "Reformed" are inconsistent!
ROFL!!! Suuuuuuure it does. From the anti-Catholic bigot POV.
Hows about we change the name of the ping list to “Barren Harvest Ping list”? That way, no one need post about what a barren harvest protestantism is, etc. /sarc
Make sure to use the same source please.
Got a source for that? Because I don't believe it.
Well maybe not so far, eh?
You know, I have talked to several former freepers that said FR's religion forum is an arm of the Vatican now , so they stopped posting ... The fact that one that was a doctrinal article was locked and this one is allowed to stand.. Oh well put on your armor PM use the helmet of salvation and the sword that is the word of God.. :)
Considering the banning of the source perhaps it IS that type.
It would be more fair to say that he is reactionary of the European type, not a leftist.
And today the Vatican has decided to dance with them. The only ones it is ok to insult is protestants..
Odd translation for Epic Fail!
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