[Cronos]

Sorry, that wasn't directed at you :)

I think anti-utopian may have fallen under an understandable error: he's mixed 2 groups:

1. different rites within The Church
2. Protestant groups that use the "Catholic" word in their title but are as Protestant as the ELCA or worse (the American... allows gay priests, doesn't it?).

His error is understandable to those who don't know -- you do a commendable job of explaining it

[Salvation]

Great Diagram — I just wish it would post a little larger — old eyes == new glasses. LOL!

[Anti-Utopian]

So posting a huge list of Protestant denominations is proof that protestants are wrong, but posting a huge list of Catholic denominations is an "error," because having different rites and other religions using "Catholic" in the name somehow isn't the same as the Protestants having different rites and using "Baptist" or "Lutheran" in the name?

Right, right, I know, I know, it's error because the difference is that a Pope nobody but you recognizes didn't bless any of those things, except for the Orthodox and Anglicans, who teach different things and worship in different ways.

Did it ever occur to any of you that perhaps those various Protestant denominations were constructed without the blessings of their particular synods? That they are simply using "Baptist" or "Lutheran" in their names without blessing? You know, the same excuse you use to deny all these Catholic denominations that exist? Of course it didn't. Should I even bother trying to reason with people who obviously gave up logic and embraced the censer fumes decades ago? Obviously not.