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Are Books of Scripture Missing from the Bible? (Ecumenical)
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Posted on 02/19/2010 7:42:49 AM PST by restornu

The so-called lost books of the Bible are those documents that are mentioned in the Bible in such a way that it is evident they were considered authentic and valuable, but that are not found in the Bible today. Sometimes called missing scripture, they consist of at least the following:

Book of the Wars of the Lord Numbers 21:14

Book of Jasher Joshua 10:13; 2 Samuel 1:18

Book of the acts of Solomon 1 Kings 11:41

Book of Samuel the seer 1 Chronicles 29:29

Book of Gad the seer 1 Chronicles 29:29

Book of Nathan the prophet 1 Chronicles 29:29; 2 Chronicles 9:29

Prophecy of Ahijah 2 Chronicles 9:29

Visions of Iddo the Seer 2 Chronicles 9:29; 12:15; 13:22

Book of Shemaiah 2 Chronicles 12:15

Book of Jehu 2 Chronicles 20:34

Sayings of the Seers 2 Chronicles 33:19

An epistle of Paul to the Corinthians, earlier than our present 1 Corinthians 1 Corinthians 5:9

An earlier epistle to the Ephesians Ephesians 3:3

Epistle to the Laodiceans Colosians 4:16

Prophecies of Enoch, known to Jude Jude 1:14

Book of the covenant Exodus 24:7 (may or may not be included in the current book of Exodus)

The Manner of the Kingdom, written by Samuel 1 Samuel 10:25

Acts of Uzziah, written by Isaiah 2 Chronicles 26:22

The "Acts of Abijah...in the Story of the Prophet Iddo" 2 Chronicles 13:22 (seems to not be the same as the Prophecy of Ahijah or the Visions of Iddo)

The foregoing items attest to the fact that our present Bible does not contain all of the word of the Lord that He gave to His people in former times, and remind us that the Bible, in its present form, is rather incomplete. Matthew's reference to a prophecy that Jesus would be a Nazarene (2:23) is interesting when it is considered that our present Old Testament seems to have no such statement. There is a possibility, however, that Matthew alluded to Isaiah 11:1, which prophesies of the Messiah as a Branch from the root of Jesse, the father of David. The Hebrew word for branch in this case is netzer, the source word of Nazarene and Nazareth. Additional references to the Branch as the Savior and Messiah are found in Jeremiah 23:5; 33:15; Zechariah 3:8; 6:12; these use a synonymous Hebrew word for branch, tzemakh.

Luke noted (Luke 1:1) that "many" had written about "those things which are most surely believed among us," yet our Bible has only two earlier Gospels, those of Matthew and Mark (John having been written after Luke). The Bible doesn't contain the earlier books to which Luke had reference. The books of 1-2 Kings frequently speak of the "rest of the acts" of the kings contained in the Chronicles of the Kings of Judah and the Chronicles of the Kings of Israel. Some readers undoubtedly believe that these refer to the books known as 1 and 2 Chronicles in our present Bibles. But an examination of the latter shows that they generally do not reveal any of the additional information about these kings that we expect to find there. Moreover, there is good evidence that the biblical books of Chronicles are really later reworkings of 2 Samuel and 1-2 Kings, with deletion of much more material than they add. Consequently, they cannot be the chronicles referred to in the earlier books.

Another reference to a writing not found in the Bible is in 2 Chronicles 35:25, where we read that Jeremiah's lamentation for the slain king Josiah is "written in the lamentations." Many Bible readers have assumed that Josiah is the "anointed of the Lord...taken in their pits," mentioned in Lamentations 4:20. There are two problems with this identification, however: 1) The book of Lamentations was written after the destruction of Jerusalem in 586 BC, two decades after the death of Josiah, and 2) The "anointed of the Lord" taken in the pit clearly refers to the last king of Judah, Zedekiah, who, at the time the Babylonians took Jerusalem, was caught "in their pit" and taken captive to Babylon (Ezekiel 19:8-9). In connection with the Nazarene prophecy, we might add that the scriptural quotes by Jesus found in Luke 11:49 and John 7:38 are not found in today's Old Testament. Similar unsupported quotes are found in Ephesians 5:14 and James 4:5f, as well as in Acts 20:35, where Paul attributes to Jesus a saying found nowhere else in the Bible, including the Gospels.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Other Christian; Other non-Christian; Religion & Culture
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To: restornu
These are not missing scriptures the LDS already knows that we only have 1/3 of the Book of Mormon the rest is yet to come forth in the Lord due time!

How many of you LDS members KNOW this?

81 posted on 02/19/2010 1:15:36 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: restornu
Call it what you want we know where they are with the Lord!

So, the LDS Living Prophet® is now MINDREADING God??

82 posted on 02/19/2010 1:17:58 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: P-Marlowe; restornu

Hmmmmmmmmmmm

In this case the question to Resty should be

“Can you honestly say that you have read every verse of the MISSING books that currently NOT in our Canon of Scripture?”


83 posted on 02/19/2010 1:24:50 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: restornu

These are not missing scriptures the LDS already knows that we only have 1/3 of the Book of Mormon the rest is yet to come forth in the Lord due time!
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So the books that are missing are from Joseph Smith’s book of mormon and not the Christian Bible ???

I know we Christians have ALL of the Chyristian Bible...

But the mormons are missing 66% of their book of mormon ???


84 posted on 02/19/2010 1:28:36 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Vendome
It's still there.

The mod had yanked it, then later decided to restore it.
85 posted on 02/19/2010 1:31:53 PM PST by Genoa (Luke 12:2)
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To: Elsie

Are there problems with FR ???


86 posted on 02/19/2010 1:34:02 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Godzilla

An ad hominem attack? Really?


87 posted on 02/19/2010 1:46:25 PM PST by TheDon
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To: Elsie
A good popular book ...

Let me rephrase that to "A good introductory book..."

88 posted on 02/19/2010 1:47:30 PM PST by TheDon
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To: Elsie

I’m a friend of Restornu’s, so I get to post!

***

In your dreams tooties! LOL


89 posted on 02/19/2010 2:01:59 PM PST by restornu
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To: Religion Moderator

I was not aware and now I don’t know which ones were on that post!


90 posted on 02/19/2010 2:14:34 PM PST by restornu
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To: TheDon; Godzilla
You are right, according to what I have Bart Ehrman is an Agnostic, not an Atheist.

That makes it much better...

91 posted on 02/19/2010 2:15:30 PM PST by ejonesie22 (Palin bashers on freerepublic, like a fart in Church...)
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To: restornu

I think the mod was referring to the links that were on 26, which the mod removed. Chick is antagonistic.


92 posted on 02/19/2010 2:48:59 PM PST by Genoa (Luke 12:2)
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To: ejonesie22; TheDon

A real bible scholar puts ehrman to the wood shed here.

http://www.christianitytoday.com/bc/2006/sepoct/3.8.html


93 posted on 02/19/2010 2:54:28 PM PST by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: Tennessee Nana

Not to my knowledge.


94 posted on 02/19/2010 3:05:25 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: TheDon
Let me rephrase that to "A good introductory book..." to WHAT?
95 posted on 02/19/2010 3:06:22 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: restornu
In your dreams tooties! LOL

Oh baby oh baby doncha treat me this away,

I'll be back on my feet some day.

96 posted on 02/19/2010 3:07:44 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ejonesie22
You are right, according to what I have Bart Ehrman is an Agnostic, not an Atheist.

I didn't know that.

97 posted on 02/19/2010 3:08:28 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Tennessee Nana
***But the mormons are missing 66% of their book of mormon ???***

I got a piece of it written in Lamanite!


98 posted on 02/19/2010 3:14:25 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Retired, and loving livng on YOUR money! Keep it up!)
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To: Godzilla
Hmmmm...not really.

Despite the foregoing criticisms, my sympathies often lie with Ehrman. The rigidity of the fundamentalism in which I grew up far exceeded anything he has described concerning his own experience. His inveighing against homogenizing the distinctive messages of biblical authors for the sake of historical harmony strikes in me a resonant chord. And at an early stage of my doctoral research on Matthew's use of the Old Testament, what increasingly seemed to count as misquotations—the usual suspects: reversing Micah's description of Bethlehem as small into a strong denial of that description (2:5–6), quoting Hosea's reference to Israel's exodus from Egypt as though it predicted the Messiah's stay in Egypt and exit from there (2:15), and so on—led me at one point to say aloud in the privacy of my study, "God, it's not looking good for you and your book." So why didn't I arrive at Ehrman's "dead end"? I have no explanation except to say that "by the grace of God" (the phrase Ehrman judges a textual corruption in Hebrews 2:8–9) I was spared a hardening of the categories through which Scripture is perceived. Or since they were already hard—unreasonably hard—I should rather say that the Spirit of God softened my categories so as to give them an elasticity that accommodates the human features of Scripture without excluding its ultimately divine origin. I pray that Ehrman and all others like him may enjoy such a softening.

NT textual criticism is just pointing out the facts. How we deal with those facts is important. Some cling to false traditions about the Bible and others throw it out altogether. Gundry believes the human alterations to the Biblical text could be divinely inspired. Personally, given the nature of the alterations, I wouldn't think so in most cases. I think the books of the NT were divinely inspired when originally written and in spite of human alterations over the centuries continues to serve the purpose of testifying that Jesus is who he said he is, our Savior and Redeemer.

99 posted on 02/19/2010 3:18:43 PM PST by TheDon
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To: Elsie

A good introductory book on the subject is: “Misquoting Jesus: The Story Behind Who Changed the Bible and Why”.

The subject being NT textual criticism.


100 posted on 02/19/2010 3:19:57 PM PST by TheDon
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