[Salvation]

Continuing with Christ, the Church and the Apostles.

[Salvation]

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[ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton]

Well said Salvation.

Thank you for posting this.

[Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus]

Christ...instituted an obligatory hierarchical society for all.

No He didn't. He organised a local church, and told it to propagate itself as other local churches. There is no earthly authority in Christianity above the local church pastor.

[JPII Be Not Afraid]

It really is quite simple if you think about it. Would Donald Trump start a new business that would be here until the end of time, then just walk away and let it run itself?

I don't think so, it would fall apart. He would appoint a president and vice presidents to make sure it ran as it should. The business would never prosper if left unattended.

The same with the Catholic Church. Do you really think Jesus would set up his church here on earth and then just let it run itself. Take a look around at all the different denomination there are today. Who would be right?

Jesus set up his church here on earth with a president (Peter) and his vice presidents (the apostles) so that the church would remain true to what his teaching are. The church has not been perfect, but that is what you get when you leave things to men, unperfect human beings as we are, we fail, but the church never does. That is because God uses the Holy Spirit to guide the Catholic Church in the truth.

Think about it, the Catholic Church has followed through for 2000 years, but about 500 years ago a split happened that lead to over 25,000 new denominations. I ask again, Who is right? The Catholic Church, with all of its problems is still the true church here on earth that was started by Jesus Christ Himself.

Jesus didn't leave an instruction manual, when he rose to heaven. He didn't write a bible, But he did leave the structure to make sure his truth prevailed and that Satan would not prevail in the end.

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[AnalogReigns]

Christ...instituted an obligatory hierarchical society for all.

Hmmmmmm, sounds like Jefferson and other Founders were right in saying Roman Catholicism was anti-democratic...

[Ken4TA]

Act 14:23
in designating priests for the churches

Please explain what Acts 14:23 has to do with what is claimed.

The Greek, ekklesia, and the Latin, ecclesia, translates the Hebrew, qahal, meaning principally, assembly.

Terrific! Then Jesus didn't start a "church", right? He started a "way of life" by calling out of the population a group of people to ekklesia, i.e., assemble!

The Apostles took to themselves and exercised the power of ruling: The Apostles also understood that their powers were to be exercised hierarchically:

They did no such thing. Jesus never told them to "rule" over members of the "assembly". They were to be servants (diakonouns). Even Peter stated that the elders (presbuterous) of the group of believers were equal with him (see I Peter 5:1). Read I Timothy 3:1-13, it tells you of the offices members of the assembly should have. The "Catholic" church(?) doesn't follow Paul's directions very good; they have created offices and set rules that are not Scripturally indicated.

[wintertime]

Christ at the same time instituted an obligatory hierarchical society for all people.
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The Catholic Church is a cult.