Posted on 02/16/2010 6:58:55 PM PST by reaganaut
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There's a little more to your baptism that you report here. This is the WHOLE story regarding mormon baptism.
Baptism in the Lord's Way
The Savior revealed the true method of baptism to the Prophet Joseph Smith, making clear that the ordinance must be performed by one having priesthood authority and that it must be done by immersion:
"The person who is called of God and has authority from Jesus Christ to baptize, shall go down into the water with the person who has presented himself or herself for baptism, and shall say, calling him or her by name: Having been commissioned of Jesus Christ, I baptize you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Amen.
"Then shall he immerse him or her in the water, and come forth again out of the water" (D&C 20:73–74).
Immersion is symbolic of the death of a person's sinful life and the rebirth into a spiritual life, dedicated to the service of God and His children. It is also symbolic of death and resurrection. (See Romans 6:3–6.)
The Baptismal Covenant
Those who are baptized enter into a covenant with God to take upon themselves the name of Jesus Christ, keep His commandments, and serve Him to the end (see Mosiah 18:8–10; D&C 20:37). Church members renew this covenant each time they partake of the sacrament (see D&C 20:77, 79).
Those who keep the covenants they made at baptism are blessed by the Lord for their faithfulness. Some of the blessings include the constant companionship of the Holy Ghost, the remission of sins, and the privilege of being spiritually reborn. If they continue faithfully, they are promised eternal life (see 2 Nephi 31:19–20).
A covenant is a sacred agreement between God and a person or group of people. God sets specific conditions, and He promises to bless us as we obey those conditions. When we choose not to keep covenants, we cannot receive the blessings, and in some instances we suffer a penalty as a consequence of our disobedience.
Official description of "covenant" from LDS.org
Where better to reveal the mormon claims for the "authority of the priesthood".
It is true that some few in that day did not want their ministers to claim special sacramental authority, but most people longed for priesthood sanctioned by God and were frustrated as to where they might go to find such. 9 In that spirit the revelatory return of priesthood authority through Joseph Smith should have eased centuries of anguish in those who felt what the famed Charles Wesley had the courage to say. Breaking ecclesiastically with his more famous brother John over the latter’s decision to ordain without authority to do so, Charles wrote with a smile:
How easily are bishops made
By man or woman’s whim:
Wesley his hands on Coke hath laid,
But who laid hands on him? 10
In responding to that challenging question, we in the restored Church of Jesus Christ can trace the priesthood line of authority exercised by the newest deacon in the ward, the bishop who presides over him, and the prophet who presides over all of us. That line goes back in an unbroken chain to angelic ministers who came from the Son of God Himself, bearing this incomparable gift from heaven.
The essential function of the priesthood in linking time and eternity was made explicit by the Savior when He formed His Church during His mortal ministry. To His senior Apostle Peter He said, “I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.” 4 Six days later He took Peter, James, and John to a mountaintop where He was transfigured in glory before them. Then prophets from earlier dispensations, including at least Moses and Elijah, 5 appeared in glory also and conferred the various keys and powers that each held.
Unfortunately those Apostles were soon killed or otherwise taken from the earth, and their priesthood keys were taken with them, resulting in more than 1,400 years of priesthood privation and absence of divine authority among the children of men. But part of the modern miracle and marvelous history we celebrate tonight is the return of those same heavenly messengers in our day and the restoration of those same powers they held for the blessing of all mankind.
In May of 1829 while translating the Book of Mormon, Joseph Smith came across a reference to baptism. He discussed the matter with his scribe, Oliver Cowdery, and the two earnestly supplicated the Lord regarding the matter. Oliver wrote: “Our souls were drawn out in mighty prayer, to know how we might obtain the blessings of baptism and of the Holy Spirit. … We diligently sought for … the authority of the holy priesthood, and the power to administer in the same.” 6
In response to that “mighty prayer,” John the Baptist came, restoring the keys and powers of the Aaronic Priesthood, which our young men in this audience tonight have been given. A few weeks later Peter, James, and John returned to restore the keys and powers of the Melchizedek Priesthood, including the keys of the apostleship. Then when a temple had been built to which other heavenly messengers might come, there unfolded on April 3, 1836, a modern-day equivalent of that earlier Mount of Transfiguration, part of something President Hinckley once called the “Kirtland cascade” of revelation in which the Savior Himself, plus Moses, Elijah, and Elias, appeared in glory to the Prophet Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery and conferred keys and powers from their respective dispensations upon these men. That visit was then concluded with this thunderous declaration, “Therefore, the keys of this dispensation are committed into your hands.” 7
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
THe “only dunked”, debunked...
Great informational reference.
Goofy lies?
I am intrigued that someone would use the phrase Not interested in your creepy stuff! when describing the love of God
****
been there done that....Yuck!
Don’t preach to me this forum is for discussion not a “come to ampu momnet!”
I said: I am intrigued that someone would use the phrase Not interested in your creepy stuff! when describing the love of God ****
So you reply:
been there done that....Yuck! Don’t preach to me this forum is for discussion not a “come to ampu momnet!”
Not preaching, I just making an observation.
Saundra Duffy # 46: goofy lies
Saundra Duffy # 82: That is a heinous lie.
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Saundra, the things that you claim are “goofy lies” and/or “heinous lies” were said and/or written by your own mormon leaders past and present ...
Do you ever complain to your current mormon leaders about the “lies” that they have told ???
when you go in to do your temple recommend interview next time...
When you get asked whether you sustain/believe the bom and whether Joey Smith was a prophet and whether mormonism is the only twoo whatever...
Say like you say here...
“NOOOOOOOOO It’s ALL goofy lies and heinous lies”
:)
Sorry did not mean you were preaching svcw
but some here do or try to instill doubt and fear which does not come from the Lord!
The Comforter has been with me all my life and the day I did ask to know is when I was given the truth!
Unless one ask in a sincere humble matter the Heavenly Father in the Name of Jesus Chirst they will not know and the world version will always be the knowledge of the Lord is the one they will aquire.
You can dismiss but it is even in the Bible scriptures
D&C 9
7 Behold, you have not understood; you have supposed that I would give it unto you, when you took no thought save it was to ask me.
Luke 24: 32
32 And they said one to another, Did not our heart burn within us, while he talked with us by the way, and while he opened to us the scriptures?
Acts 1: 24
24 And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen,
D&C 8: 2
2 Yea, behold, I will tell you in your mind and in your heart, by the Holy Ghost, which shall come upon you and which shall dwell in your heart.
8 But, behold, I say unto you, that you must study it out in your mind; then you must ask me if it be right, and if it is right I will cause that your bosom shall burn within you; therefore, you shall feel that it is right.
9 But if it be not right you shall have no such feelings, but you shall have a stupor of thought that shall cause you to forget the thing which is wrong; therefore, you cannot write that which is sacred save it be given you from me.
John 14
26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
27 Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.
28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
29 And now I have told you before it come to pass, that, when it is come to pass, ye might believe.
30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.
31 But that the world may know that I love the Father; and as the Father gave me commandment, even so I do. Arise, let us go hence.
Wait a minute.....!
Adam and Eve couldn’t have children?
When did this happen? Did Cain kill Abel and where the sons of Adam and Eve?
Jesus is our elder brother? Well where is my inheritance by lineage?
And why did no one ever tell me this before and how do I develop my powers of God, as he had, so I might walk on water, make wine and heal the lame?
Are they dormant powers? Why?
4) Jesus came to ‘make up’ for anything we couldn’t do, and too upon himself our sins in the garden of gethsemene and died on the cross so he could be resurrected showing we will ALL be resurrected some day. Jesus is our elder brother who taught us that we can all strive to be perfect (moral perfection) here in this life and to be a good example to us.
5) Those who die without the LDS gospel still have an opportunity in spirit prison to accept the LDS gospel and have their ordinances (baptism, endowments, priesthood, sealings) done here on earth by proxy.
If Jesus having the power of God vested through him made up for anything I couldn’t do then how is my “Not having the LDS Gospel” even a consideration? How do receive it and what are the signs?
The two statements are at great with each other.
Adam and Eve couldn’t have children?
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Ive never heard that one befroe...
Whagt happened to be fruitful and MULTIPLE ???
Must have been another dirty trick the mormon god played on them...
Oh wait Adam WAS the mormon god ...
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
a god with a disability...
Thats new...
I am so confused. /s/
I missed that one.
WOW...
Its the coffee little apostate...
stop drinking coffee and you too can go to the temple and be worthy to be one of a million spirit brides in the harem of a progressed mormon man-to-god...
Dont that sound ahhhhh....
Resty,
You wrote, “Not interested in your creepy stuff!”
Which is the clearest statement you’ve ever made
about the things of God.
I am saddened by your posted response to Christ,
to the Grace of God, to Salvation, to freedom
from trying to earn your own salvation.
Yet, as seen on these posts you’ve made, you
choose to follow José Smith, to try to add to
the finished work of Jesus Christ through your
own works, and refer to the the wonderful
grace of the Savior as “creepy”.
THIS is why we Inman’s post on FR. To prevent
others from going down that path and becoming
slaves to the Borg - with eternal destruction as
its end.
For any mormon who wants to know how to leave
the Borg and find the Grace of God, here are some
resources to help you. Leave while you can, or
you may reach the place where you can no longer
see the free gift of God of eternal life in Christ -
delivered 100% by His grace and apart from any
work or effort you could do.
There is online help at these websites...
Recovery from Mormonism - http://www.exmormon.org/
Utah Lighthouse Ministry - http://www.utlm.org/
Mormons in Transition - http://www.irr.org/MIT/default.html
And of course, you can private freepmail me or one of
the former mormons here:
colorcountry
reaganaut
and the many others on this thread.
You can learn the truth about God and be set free from
the enslavement mormonism creates.
Link to the above statement.
http://www.jefflindsay.com/adam.shtml#eve
Just thought you might find the following story of Adam and Eve as told by lds interesting.
http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&locale=0&sourceId=eac2ff3ff4c20110VgnVCM100000176f620a____&vgnextoid=e36d5f74db46c010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD
Sorry about that. Don’t know why the links cam up as copy and paste instead of just a click!
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