Weekly "Heart of the Matter" Show thread

Heart of the Matter on TV20 ^ | 2/16/10 | Shawn McCraney

[reaganaut]

This is a thread for the live streaming of Heart of the Matter an outreach to the LDS. A link with the archive will be posted when it is up.

[Tennessee Nana]

I am not ashamed of the Gospel of Jesus Christ and I am not ashamed to be a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.

“This is what I believe and I am not ashamed to shout it from the rooftops.”
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Yes well we have yet to see this...

You promise...but...

[Tennessee Nana]

We are joint heirs with Jesus Christ.
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Only if you are a Christian...

and you have told us you are a mormon...

Post # 44 “I’m a Mormon.”

Mormons are not Christians so the Christian Bible does not apply

Plus mormon women are not equal nor joint heirs with mormon guys in the mormon religion...

that verse is about Christian men and women, Gentiles and Jews, being equal...

1 Peter 3:7, Romans 8:17, Ephesians 3:6 are only for Blood washed Christians...

Husbands, in the same way be considerate as you live with your wives, and treat them with respect as the weaker partner and as joint heirs with you of the gracious gift of life, so that nothing will hinder your prayers. 1 Peter 3:7

Now if we are children, then we are heirs—heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in His sufferings in order that we may also share in His glory. Romans 8:17

This mystery is that through the Gospel the Gentiles are joint heirs together with Israel, members together of one body, and sharers together in the promise in Christ Jesus. Ephesians 3:6

[Tennessee Nana]

I am washed in the Blood of the Lamb.
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Well thats a new one...

When did that happen ???

Yesterday ???

How did it happen ???

Do tell...

[Elsie]

 

 

 

 

 

Praise to the Man!

 

 

Praise to the man who communed with Jehovah!
Jesus annointed that Prophet and Seer.
Blessed to open the last dispensation,
Kings shall extol him, and nations revere.

Chorus
Hail to the Prophet, ascended to heaven!
Traitors and tyrants now fight him in vain.
Mingling with Gods, he can plan for his brethren;
Death cannot conquer the hero again.

 

 

Praise to his mem'ry, he died as a martyr;
Honored and blest be his ever great name!
Long shall his blood, which was shed by assasins,
Plead unto heav'n while the earth lauds his fame.

Chorus
Hail to the Prophet, ascended to heaven!
Traitors and tyrants now fight him in vain.
Mingling with Gods, he can plan for his brethren;
Death cannot conquer the hero again.

 

Great is his glory and endless his priesthood.
Ever and ever the keys he will hold.
Faithful and true he will enter his kingdom,
Crowned in the midst of the prophets of old.

Chorus
Hail to the Prophet, ascended to heaven!
Traitors and tyrants now fight him in vain.
Mingling with Gods, he can plan for his brethren;
Death cannot conquer the hero again.

 

Sacrifice brings forth the blessings of heaven;
Earth must atone for the blood of that man.
Wake up the world for the conflict of justice.
Millions shall know 'Brother Joseph' again.

 

Chorus
Hail to the Prophet, ascended to heaven!
Traitors and tyrants now fight him in vain.
Mingling with Gods, he can plan for his brethren;
Death cannot conquer the hero again.

[Tennessee Nana]

Reaganaut: only faith in the Jesus of the Bible will save and sadly the LDS church does not believe in that Jesus.

Saundra Duffy: That is a heinous lie.
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Saundra Duffy # 44 : “I’m a Mormon”...

Saundra, mormons are not Christians with faith in the Jesus of the Bible,...

Reaganaut did not tell any kind of lie...

I agree with Reaganaut...

only faith in the Jesus of the Bible will save and sadly the LDS church does not believe in that Jesus. Signed Nana

The Jesus of the Bible agrees with Reaganaut..

She who believes will be saved she who does not believ will be damned.. Mark 16:16

Jesus said to Saundra Duffy, “I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No man or woman comes to the father except by ME.”

[Elsie]

When I used to be an anti Mormon I used to believe, and repeat, all kinds of goofy lies that I heard from the pulpit of other churches and from other Christians.

Now that you are a member of the SLC baranch of MORMONism, how do you reconcile all of the QUOTES from MORMON sources that are presented here?

We have SEEN your love of Jesus represented here on FR; but what is your take on the goofy TRUTHFUL things that MORMON leaders have said over the years; the SCANDALOUS things they have called Christians?

[Elsie]

I am not ashamed of the Gospel of Jesus Christ and I am not ashamed to be a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.

Then you are capable of turning a deaf ear to the things about MORMONism that are shown to be non-Scriptural.

[Tennessee Nana]

I love my Church
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So ???

Jesus loves His Church...

But the difference is Jesus shed His Blood on the Cross and died on the cross for His Church to save her, His bride, we the Christians...

[Elsie]

We are joint heirs with Jesus Christ. Hallelujah!!

It was a yes/no question.

[Elsie]

I find many opinions can they all be correct with so many contradictions ?

It's like the blind men and the elephant: each one was 'right' according to the knowledge he had.

[Elsie]

I was dipped.

Me, too.

In a Baptist church in MOSES Lake, Washington.

;^)

[Tennessee Nana]

We Mormons get fully dunked
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Yes lots of times even after death for some pagan reason or other...

One water baptism while we are alive just as an outward symbol after we are saved is suffice for Christians...

Baptism doesnt save...

After we are dead its too late to be saved or dunked..

[Elsie]

16 Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.

Yet if any man suffer as a MORMON, let him complain to a MOD; perhaps he(she?) will rule in his behalf.

[Elsie]

Your concept of my Church is skewed.

Your church uses rituals and practices that are NOT found in ANY of it's scripture.

I guess you have no problem with that?

[Elsie]

 

We believe in the Bible, too - King James Version.

 

Then how on EARTH do you reconcile the following with MORMONism??

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KJV

 Galatians 1:6-9

 6.  I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
 7.  Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
 8.  But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
 9.  As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
 

 

 

 

ANYBODY???

 

Like this fine looking fellow???

 

 

 

 

 

2 Corinthians 11:12-15

 12.  But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we.
 13.  For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
 14.  And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
 15.  Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

 

 

Like THESE guys??

 

 

 

 

http://scriptures.lds.org/en/js_h/1/19#19

 

 

17 It no sooner appeared than I found myself delivered from the enemy which held me bound. When the light rested upon me I saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other—This is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!

 

 

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Ephesians 2:1-2 

1.  And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

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1 Corinthians 4:17
  For this cause have I sent unto you Timotheus, who is my beloved son, and faithful in the Lord, who shall bring you into remembrance of my ways which be in Christ, as I teach every where in every church.

 

1 Corinthians 11:2
   Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things, and keep the ordinances, as I delivered them to you.

 

2 Thessalonians 2:15
   Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

 

2 Timothy 1:13
   Hold fast the form of sound words, which thou hast heard of me, in faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.

 

2 Timothy 3:14-15
 14.  But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
 15.  And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

[Tennessee Nana]

The podcast for 2/16/2010 is up “Baptism for the Dead”

But not the one from last week 2/9/2010

http://www.hotm.tv/shows-2010.htm

[Tennessee Nana]

http://www.hotm.tv/

[svcw]

ttt

[aMorePerfectUnion]

“If you can’t see and feel and experience the presence of the Holy Ghost in the hearts of these BYU musicians and singers, then I feel sorry for you.”

Cultists singing to a pantheon of gods?????

Earth to Saundra, this has NOTHING to do with the God of
the Bible or the Holy Spirit.

[restornu]

Not interested in your creepy stuff!